1 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:13,310 [Music] 2 00:00:20,909 --> 00:00:17,110 this hope radio for the masses at Lyon 3 00:00:23,099 --> 00:00:20,919 abyss in July 8 1947 the Army Air Force 4 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:23,109 were present on start applying the - 5 00:00:27,900 --> 00:00:24,970 found and is now in the possession of 6 00:00:31,950 --> 00:00:27,910 the army the game is rigged changed the 7 00:00:35,189 --> 00:00:31,960 game changer I occasionally think how 8 00:00:38,969 --> 00:00:35,199 quickly our differences worldwide would 9 00:00:43,340 --> 00:00:38,979 vanish if we were facing an alien threat 10 00:00:48,530 --> 00:00:45,860 [Applause] 11 00:00:51,530 --> 00:00:48,540 this is fade to black with your host 12 00:00:54,890 --> 00:00:51,540 Jimmy Church on the game changer radio 13 00:00:58,580 --> 00:00:54,900 network and kgr a 14 00:01:03,710 --> 00:01:01,300 we need your help to get to the year 15 00:01:07,399 --> 00:01:03,720 1985 16 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:07,409 [Music] 17 00:01:11,749 --> 00:01:09,600 you are listening to fade to black with 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:11,759 Jimmy judge only Game Change in that 19 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:12,530 word 20 00:01:24,770 --> 00:01:19,570 [Music] 21 00:01:36,030 --> 00:01:24,780 good evening take the block this smoke 22 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:36,040 radio for the masses yeah man it's 23 00:01:43,950 --> 00:01:41,530 Monday April 9th 2018 ninety nine days 24 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:43,960 into the new year just two hundred and 25 00:01:51,210 --> 00:01:47,350 sixty six days left we are live from a 26 00:01:53,460 --> 00:01:51,220 bunker somewhere in beautiful downtown 27 00:01:55,140 --> 00:01:53,470 Burbank California and I would like to 28 00:01:57,020 --> 00:01:55,150 welcome everybody listening all around 29 00:01:59,820 --> 00:01:57,030 the world all across the United States 30 00:02:01,680 --> 00:01:59,830 hither and thither to and fro back and 31 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:01,690 forth up and down east and west north 32 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:04,290 and south far and near 33 00:02:10,020 --> 00:02:07,450 this is fade to black for kjc are the 34 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:10,030 game changer network in kg ra the planet 35 00:02:17,630 --> 00:02:11,830 i'm your host jimmy church what is crack 36 00:02:27,020 --> 00:02:25,040 yeah man all right tonight's tonight we 37 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:27,030 have very special guest with us John 38 00:02:32,900 --> 00:02:28,200 Greenwald 39 00:02:34,580 --> 00:02:32,910 is here of the black vault that's right 40 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:34,590 we're gonna talk about his investigation 41 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:40,260 into T TSA to the Stars Academy and a 42 00:02:49,370 --> 00:02:46,890 tip the Ariel aviation spread Department 43 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:49,380 whatever it's called we'll find out 44 00:02:55,310 --> 00:02:51,290 about all of that tonight 45 00:02:58,790 --> 00:02:55,320 the secret black project running in the 46 00:03:01,880 --> 00:02:58,800 Pentagon allegedly it ran to a point 47 00:03:05,140 --> 00:03:01,890 it's not running now but and more on 48 00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:05,150 that more on that in and all of his 49 00:03:11,060 --> 00:03:07,980 investigative journalist ik skills will 50 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:11,070 be presented tonight tomorrow night 51 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:14,850 Anthony Sanchez is back with this and we 52 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:17,970 are gonna go over world wide UFO 53 00:03:22,850 --> 00:03:20,130 sightings and reports country by country 54 00:03:25,340 --> 00:03:22,860 state by state the United States all 55 00:03:29,630 --> 00:03:25,350 around the world and what he is doing 56 00:03:31,069 --> 00:03:29,640 about it too to get this information out 57 00:03:33,470 --> 00:03:31,079 there he's got a project that he's 58 00:03:35,090 --> 00:03:33,480 working on and it is amazing so we're 59 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:35,100 gonna do that tomorrow night I cannot 60 00:03:40,670 --> 00:03:38,250 wait to hear are these stats that 61 00:03:44,150 --> 00:03:40,680 Anthony has got put together and then 62 00:03:49,699 --> 00:03:44,160 Wednesday night the one and only Daniel 63 00:03:54,910 --> 00:03:49,709 P Sheehan joins us and Daniel this is 64 00:03:59,360 --> 00:03:54,920 what's amazing about Daniel Danny is the 65 00:04:02,210 --> 00:03:59,370 amount of work that he has done in his 66 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:02,220 lifetime and what he has pulled off and 67 00:04:08,210 --> 00:04:04,890 what he has been at the center of he is 68 00:04:10,130 --> 00:04:08,220 an amazing individual and there is so 69 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:10,140 much to talk about right now what is 70 00:04:14,750 --> 00:04:11,910 going on not only in the world of 71 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:14,760 disclosure and ufology 72 00:04:21,409 --> 00:04:18,570 but the cabal the Illuminati who's 73 00:04:25,159 --> 00:04:21,419 running the world what is really going 74 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:25,169 on there's that he is the best to talk 75 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:26,490 about all of this and that'll be 76 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:28,110 Wednesday night Thursday night is 77 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:30,090 another fader night Jon Rappoport will 78 00:04:33,460 --> 00:04:31,130 be here 79 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:33,470 with his no more fake newsroom live 80 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:35,210 followed by open lines all night long 81 00:04:41,110 --> 00:04:37,450 you can follow me on Twitter at Jay 82 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:41,120 radio edge a church radio simple at Jay 83 00:04:47,230 --> 00:04:43,490 Church radio you want to hang out with 84 00:04:50,740 --> 00:04:47,240 us use hash tag F the number to be hash 85 00:04:52,780 --> 00:04:50,750 tag F to be that is the sandbox any 86 00:04:56,860 --> 00:04:52,790 questions or comments you can do that 87 00:04:59,170 --> 00:04:56,870 hash tag F to be Q in Twitter we use 88 00:05:02,200 --> 00:04:59,180 TweetDeck any questions or comments you 89 00:05:07,450 --> 00:05:02,210 can also email throughout the show Jimmy 90 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:07,460 and Jimmy Church radio.com and I was I 91 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:09,950 got email earlier today and it was 92 00:05:14,650 --> 00:05:12,530 strange I mean it was something that I 93 00:05:16,180 --> 00:05:14,660 kind of forgotten about because I've 94 00:05:19,710 --> 00:05:16,190 been doing it for so many years 95 00:05:22,420 --> 00:05:19,720 at the beginning of the show when I go 96 00:05:27,190 --> 00:05:22,430 east and west north and south you know 97 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:27,200 far in here that there was a guy well 98 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:30,290 he's still around I I think he's up in 99 00:05:36,930 --> 00:05:32,690 San Francisco but a sports guy here out 100 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:36,940 of San Diego hacksaw Hamilton and 101 00:05:48,190 --> 00:05:42,710 hacksaw out of man what was that sports 102 00:05:49,780 --> 00:05:48,200 station out of Chicago and iego I can't 103 00:05:52,630 --> 00:05:49,790 remember the name of the station but 104 00:05:57,030 --> 00:05:52,640 anyway huge sports talk radio station 105 00:06:02,320 --> 00:05:57,040 and hacksaw would start his show off 106 00:06:08,410 --> 00:06:02,330 each night from San Diego to San 107 00:06:10,330 --> 00:06:08,420 Bernardino the Inland Empire to whatever 108 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:10,340 Long Beach and he would do this thing 109 00:06:16,270 --> 00:06:14,030 this little geographical you know paint 110 00:06:20,230 --> 00:06:16,280 the picture thing and and hacksaw one of 111 00:06:23,950 --> 00:06:20,240 the best and and then he would do the 112 00:06:27,070 --> 00:06:23,960 best what did he call it the best 15 113 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:27,080 minutes in radio right that he would 114 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:29,090 started show off and he would do 115 00:06:33,340 --> 00:06:32,090 hacksaws headlines and he would do 15 116 00:06:36,210 --> 00:06:33,350 minutes of the headlines and that's how 117 00:06:40,659 --> 00:06:36,220 we started off every show for years and 118 00:06:44,140 --> 00:06:40,669 I just love that guy and so that 119 00:06:47,980 --> 00:06:44,150 beginning of the show that I do that 120 00:06:50,980 --> 00:06:47,990 thing I swear I got to give credit where 121 00:06:57,300 --> 00:06:50,990 credit's due I imagined myself being the 122 00:07:00,160 --> 00:06:57,310 great hacksaw Hamilton hacksaw Hamilton 123 00:07:01,810 --> 00:07:00,170 whatever happened to that guy they used 124 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:01,820 to run these commercials on the NFL 125 00:07:08,650 --> 00:07:06,160 touchdown San Diego in the Superbowl and 126 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:08,660 that was hacksaw you know that was 127 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:12,290 hacksaw calling it on the radio and he 128 00:07:16,390 --> 00:07:14,510 was the voice of the Raiders for a while 129 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:16,400 he might maybe that's what he's doing 130 00:07:21,610 --> 00:07:17,930 now maybe he's up in San Francisco doing 131 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:21,620 the Raiders but anyway so that's what 132 00:07:27,580 --> 00:07:23,690 that is and and somebody asked me about 133 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:27,590 that today where that that whole intro 134 00:07:33,070 --> 00:07:30,590 came from and I just had to think about 135 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:33,080 it and I got it I'm gonna give credit 136 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:37,730 hacksaw hamilton hacksaw hamilton okay 137 00:07:42,970 --> 00:07:38,570 enough of that 138 00:07:46,060 --> 00:07:42,980 all right i'm stellar you can go and 139 00:07:48,580 --> 00:07:46,070 register things are getting really 140 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:48,590 really close here with on stellar to 141 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:51,590 testing so you can go over to on stellar 142 00:07:59,110 --> 00:07:55,310 dot-com and it's it's all been cleaned 143 00:08:01,660 --> 00:07:59,120 up and simplified there and because the 144 00:08:03,700 --> 00:08:01,670 I CEO you can purchase tokens if you 145 00:08:08,050 --> 00:08:03,710 want but that's that's a whole nother 146 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:08,060 thing but you can go register and get 147 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:10,250 your username all of that use the promo 148 00:08:16,810 --> 00:08:14,270 code Jimmy and the there's going to be a 149 00:08:20,860 --> 00:08:16,820 questionnaire and a survey sent out to 150 00:08:22,810 --> 00:08:20,870 all of the registered users and that's 151 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:22,820 going to be happening and then we're 152 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:25,490 gonna go into this testing phase in 153 00:08:31,420 --> 00:08:28,010 about three weeks so you'll be able to 154 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:31,430 go check out the platform and build your 155 00:08:35,650 --> 00:08:33,890 profile page and test in and go and 156 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:35,660 check it out and then everything will be 157 00:08:41,470 --> 00:08:38,030 going live still on schedule in quarter 158 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:41,480 three on stellar and with all of the 159 00:08:47,410 --> 00:08:44,330 talk lately especially I'm gonna get to 160 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:47,420 this in a second about Facebook and what 161 00:08:57,260 --> 00:08:52,090 is going on over there Man Alive whoo 162 00:09:04,010 --> 00:09:01,070 I'm going to recommend everybody to 163 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:04,020 check out Silicon Valley on HBO and if 164 00:09:10,330 --> 00:09:08,220 you haven't seen it go you can go and 165 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:10,340 binge it I mean binging from Season one 166 00:09:15,980 --> 00:09:13,770 where they are at now and this is what's 167 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:15,990 really funny what they are actually 168 00:09:23,270 --> 00:09:20,570 talking about on Silicon Valley is a 169 00:09:24,290 --> 00:09:23,280 decentralized internet alright that's 170 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:24,300 what they're building aren't they're 171 00:09:28,850 --> 00:09:26,130 building this decentralized internet 172 00:09:31,850 --> 00:09:28,860 without servers and they're talking 173 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:31,860 about server farms and security and 174 00:09:37,730 --> 00:09:35,310 online privacy and rights and you know 175 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:37,740 it's its grave everything that's on 176 00:09:44,270 --> 00:09:39,510 Silicon Valley right now is what on 177 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:44,280 stellar is about so didn't hacksaw to 178 00:09:50,030 --> 00:09:46,470 rock and roll radio at Klos 179 00:09:53,510 --> 00:09:50,040 I don't think so no I think hacksaw Lee 180 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:53,520 hacksaw Hamilton dot-com there it is I'm 181 00:09:59,060 --> 00:09:55,410 gonna click on that hold on I gotta go I 182 00:10:01,190 --> 00:09:59,070 gotta go I gotta check out axe axe on 183 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:01,200 there it is there he is 184 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:05,610 that's the original G talk radio guy 185 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:09,090 right there lee hak-su yes there it is 186 00:10:14,540 --> 00:10:11,880 hacksaw headlines best 15 minutes of 187 00:10:24,590 --> 00:10:14,550 radio see not look this is what's really 188 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:24,600 funny is I am talking about 1995 okay so 189 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:28,230 that's 23 years ago and I he's still 190 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:30,510 doing it hacksaws headlines it's been a 191 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:31,770 long time man 192 00:10:37,820 --> 00:10:34,170 it's been a long time one man's opinion 193 00:10:41,330 --> 00:10:37,830 look at that hacksaw hamilton thank you 194 00:10:43,130 --> 00:10:41,340 now who tweeted that out that's amazing 195 00:10:45,860 --> 00:10:43,140 thank you for that I'm gonna I'm gonna 196 00:10:47,630 --> 00:10:45,870 that's gonna get a retweet let's send 197 00:10:49,970 --> 00:10:47,640 that out to the conspiracy community 198 00:10:57,490 --> 00:10:49,980 right there he's gonna go Church what 199 00:11:01,550 --> 00:10:57,500 you yeah man Lee hacksaw Hamilton okay 200 00:11:04,850 --> 00:11:01,560 so yeah Silicon Valley it's really 201 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:04,860 interesting how and I know that it's up 202 00:11:09,689 --> 00:11:06,570 you know they're probably taping the 203 00:11:12,299 --> 00:11:09,699 show up until December or 204 00:11:15,359 --> 00:11:12,309 ever but it just seems really strange 205 00:11:17,909 --> 00:11:15,369 the timing in the topics so go and check 206 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:17,919 that out register override on stellar on 207 00:11:24,090 --> 00:11:20,769 stellar dot-com get your username promo 208 00:11:26,359 --> 00:11:24,100 code Jimmy and and get going there now 209 00:11:31,859 --> 00:11:26,369 here we are we're in the middle of April 210 00:11:36,659 --> 00:11:31,869 we've got May and then that's it 211 00:11:40,079 --> 00:11:36,669 our next conference contact in the 212 00:11:43,619 --> 00:11:40,089 desert June 1st through the 4th of 2018 213 00:11:46,769 --> 00:11:43,629 we have a new I didn't get it up today 214 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:46,779 I'm gonna post it tomorrow a new trailer 215 00:11:52,049 --> 00:11:48,850 for contact in the desert I'm not gonna 216 00:11:56,729 --> 00:11:52,059 say anything but well when you check out 217 00:11:59,519 --> 00:11:56,739 the trailer Rita can probably get it up 218 00:12:02,699 --> 00:11:59,529 into Facebook but anyway for everybody 219 00:12:06,569 --> 00:12:02,709 to see but check out the voiceover dude 220 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:06,579 the voiceover dude is cool whoever that 221 00:12:11,069 --> 00:12:08,649 guy is doing the voiceover I'm just 222 00:12:15,179 --> 00:12:11,079 saying the guy doing the voiceover for 223 00:12:17,579 --> 00:12:15,189 the trailer sounds really cool hey you 224 00:12:19,919 --> 00:12:17,589 know I don't know I want your comments 225 00:12:23,489 --> 00:12:19,929 we'll get that up here pretty soon but 226 00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:23,499 that is June 1st through the 4th 2018 227 00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:25,839 Indian Wells Palm Springs at the 228 00:12:31,139 --> 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256 00:13:53,410 --> 00:13:49,310 issues too as well but the good news is 257 00:13:56,060 --> 00:13:53,420 everything is shipping and heading out 258 00:13:59,600 --> 00:13:56,070 so if you've been backordered or 259 00:14:04,190 --> 00:13:59,610 whatever you'll start to see the new 260 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:04,200 stuff shortly in your mailbox and by the 261 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:07,650 end of the week I would say especially 262 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:10,860 after what we did today and we just 263 00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:13,410 ordered a new round of the new shirts 264 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:17,280 we'll get two photographs up of those in 265 00:14:23,270 --> 00:14:21,090 a few days they look really nice and but 266 00:14:26,830 --> 00:14:23,280 by the end of the week I think we should 267 00:14:29,540 --> 00:14:26,840 be all caught up so if you if you've 268 00:14:32,630 --> 00:14:29,550 ordered stuff and our t-shirt thing 269 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:32,640 there was some issues with and it was 270 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:37,370 just bizarro world stuff going on with 271 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:40,290 with the database in the payment system 272 00:14:45,770 --> 00:14:43,110 I think those have been ironed out but 273 00:14:48,770 --> 00:14:45,780 missing addresses and just craziness and 274 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:48,780 we reached out to as many people as we 275 00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:51,150 could to get all of your addresses in 276 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:54,270 and it took drew to go in and figure 277 00:15:02,090 --> 00:14:56,970 this out and going back and forth and 278 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:02,100 and we had blank addresses weird you 279 00:15:06,830 --> 00:15:04,770 know and so anyway I think we've got all 280 00:15:09,740 --> 00:15:06,840 of that ironed out so you should be able 281 00:15:12,050 --> 00:15:09,750 to wear your fade to black ear here 282 00:15:14,390 --> 00:15:12,060 shortly and don't forget all of our 283 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:14,400 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makes sense to and I 298 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:02,470 think about the math and how it's all 299 00:16:07,140 --> 00:16:05,800 put together but My Chemical Romance and 300 00:16:10,730 --> 00:16:07,150 you know what they weren't a bad band 301 00:16:17,790 --> 00:16:10,740 you know and I are they still together 302 00:16:20,850 --> 00:16:17,800 Gerard Way today is 41 and we may we may 303 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:20,860 actually have Gerard Way on the show 304 00:16:27,630 --> 00:16:24,730 here soon because he is fully engaged 305 00:16:30,210 --> 00:16:27,640 into our community and there's more on 306 00:16:34,350 --> 00:16:30,220 that and he's working on a comic book oh 307 00:16:37,290 --> 00:16:34,360 my god to say that oh I don't know if I 308 00:16:40,590 --> 00:16:37,300 could announce it can i I'll clear that 309 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:40,600 up and then I'll answer every buddy 310 00:16:48,380 --> 00:16:44,080 tomorrow on that Gerard Way today is 41 311 00:16:51,510 --> 00:16:48,390 on this day in history 1959 NASA 312 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:51,520 introduces America's first astronauts to 313 00:16:59,610 --> 00:16:55,330 the press scott Carpenter Gordon Cooper 314 00:17:03,840 --> 00:16:59,620 John Glenn Virgil Gus Grissom Walter 315 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:03,850 schirra Alan Shepard and Donald deke 316 00:17:13,050 --> 00:17:06,970 slayton were all introduced to the world 317 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:13,060 on this day in 1959 theater fact Steve 318 00:17:22,910 --> 00:17:17,650 Jobs was adopted his biological father 319 00:17:27,689 --> 00:17:22,920 was Abdul Fattah Jan dolly a Syrian 320 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:27,699 Muslim yeah that's a fader factor but 321 00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:30,970 I've got part two because even more 322 00:17:39,710 --> 00:17:35,920 amazing is that Jobs believed his vegan 323 00:17:43,769 --> 00:17:39,720 diet would eliminate the need of 324 00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:47,440 is this thing on this thing working 325 00:17:55,210 --> 00:17:51,440 did you hear that and that is a fader 326 00:17:57,310 --> 00:17:55,220 fact all right where am I at tonight 327 00:17:59,560 --> 00:17:57,320 John Greenwald is here the black vaults 328 00:18:02,110 --> 00:17:59,570 we're gonna talk about his investigation 329 00:18:04,749 --> 00:18:02,120 into TTS a in a tip which you can read 330 00:18:07,299 --> 00:18:04,759 over at the black vault all of the 331 00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:07,309 documents and his work is presented 332 00:18:13,149 --> 00:18:11,929 there very extensive research we're 333 00:18:15,789 --> 00:18:13,159 gonna go through all of that tonight 334 00:18:19,269 --> 00:18:15,799 tomorrow night Anthony of Sanchez we're 335 00:18:21,789 --> 00:18:19,279 going to talk about numbers of UFO 336 00:18:24,279 --> 00:18:21,799 sightings around the world he's compiled 337 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:24,289 an amazing amount of data we're gonna do 338 00:18:30,669 --> 00:18:26,330 that tomorrow night Wednesday night 339 00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:30,679 Daniel P Sheehan and I don't know how 340 00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:32,960 many times Danny has been on the show 341 00:18:38,110 --> 00:18:35,840 but every conversation with Danny it 342 00:18:42,509 --> 00:18:38,120 just stops me in my tracks 343 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:42,519 I remember this couple of years ago it 344 00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:44,809 contacted in the desert and I was 345 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:48,470 hosting a panel with Danny and this 346 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:50,450 might have been three years ago and that 347 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:51,289 panel 348 00:18:57,999 --> 00:18:55,129 I gave Danny such a hard time in jest I 349 00:19:01,269 --> 00:18:58,009 was just having fun but he would say 350 00:19:03,789 --> 00:19:01,279 things you know well you know back when 351 00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:03,799 I was doing you know something you know 352 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:06,320 and I and I was no but how old were you 353 00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:09,200 when he did that uh you know I was 14 354 00:19:14,909 --> 00:19:11,960 and it was just crammed I'm joking you 355 00:19:18,610 --> 00:19:14,919 know but but by the time he was 30 he 356 00:19:21,310 --> 00:19:18,620 nearly caused a revolution in this 357 00:19:24,190 --> 00:19:21,320 country and and he has just had the most 358 00:19:26,019 --> 00:19:24,200 amazing career ever and so that's what 359 00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:26,029 we're gonna do on Wednesday night we're 360 00:19:29,379 --> 00:19:27,679 gonna discuss the state of disclosure 361 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:29,389 what is going on around the world with 362 00:19:33,519 --> 00:19:31,370 the cabal and the Illuminati in the New 363 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:33,529 World Order all of that's gonna go down 364 00:19:42,269 --> 00:19:40,190 on Wednesday night ight ight now for at 365 00:19:45,009 --> 00:19:42,279 least a year 366 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:45,019 okay look what's been going down with 367 00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:49,370 Facebook lately I am sure that they are 368 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:52,940 having meetings all day long up at 369 00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,260 Facebook about 370 00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:56,960 how to write the ship and get things 371 00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:00,320 back on track that's all they are trying 372 00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:03,260 to do I am sure they have for the first 373 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:08,300 time saw users leave Facebook and 374 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:10,970 accounts canceled and and people running 375 00:20:13,330 --> 00:20:11,510 for the hills 376 00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:13,340 and they've never had this happen before 377 00:20:19,390 --> 00:20:17,120 I don't know how many have left Facebook 378 00:20:22,780 --> 00:20:19,400 I'm sure the number is in the millions 379 00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:22,790 when you have 2.2 billion users do you 380 00:20:27,130 --> 00:20:25,760 miss a million users well I'm sure that 381 00:20:30,340 --> 00:20:27,140 they have had nothing but a growth curve 382 00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,350 right well I think it stopped right and 383 00:20:35,850 --> 00:20:32,720 maybe they're seeing a dip for the first 384 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:35,860 time and it's got to be alarming and 385 00:20:42,190 --> 00:20:39,320 that being said Facebook has brought all 386 00:20:44,250 --> 00:20:42,200 of this onto themselves there's a 387 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:44,260 certain amount of trust that is built 388 00:20:50,980 --> 00:20:46,910 and the way that the company started 389 00:20:53,580 --> 00:20:50,990 that trust was fun and cool but it is 390 00:20:57,730 --> 00:20:53,590 gone the other way for them but now 391 00:21:01,810 --> 00:20:57,740 adding insult to injury for the last 392 00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:01,820 year at least a year the biggest page on 393 00:21:10,350 --> 00:21:04,790 Facebook purporting to be part of the 394 00:21:14,770 --> 00:21:10,360 black lives matter movement was a scam 395 00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:14,780 with ties ties to a middle-aged white 396 00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:20,990 man in Australia in Mackay who was also 397 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:26,000 a National Union of workers official the 398 00:21:34,150 --> 00:21:29,570 page titled simply black lives matter 399 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:34,160 had almost 700,000 followers on Facebook 400 00:21:41,770 --> 00:21:37,970 more than twice as many as the official 401 00:21:44,050 --> 00:21:41,780 black lives matter page it was tied to 402 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:44,060 online fundraisers that brought in at 403 00:21:48,670 --> 00:21:46,730 least $100,000 as supposedly went to 404 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:48,680 black lives matter causes in the United 405 00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:50,990 States we don't know how much but at 406 00:21:56,410 --> 00:21:52,940 least some of the money has officially 407 00:22:03,070 --> 00:21:56,420 been transferred to Australian bank 408 00:22:05,260 --> 00:22:03,080 accounts the page is now suspended but 409 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:05,270 it's only suspended after almost a week 410 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:07,730 of emails and calls between CN 411 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:12,170 of all right and Facebook about the 412 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:15,410 story and then after that Facebook 413 00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:18,410 finally suspended the page and only then 414 00:22:25,450 --> 00:22:21,940 because it suspended a user account that 415 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:25,460 administrated the page not because it 416 00:22:32,190 --> 00:22:29,330 was a scam page Facebook would have left 417 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:32,200 the page up if they hadn't gotten caught 418 00:22:40,210 --> 00:22:35,810 some Facebook users can now see whether 419 00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:40,220 their data may be obtained by political 420 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:43,580 data firm Cambridge analytic and this 421 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:46,310 comes after everything was disclosed 422 00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:50,930 with this fake a scam page so Facebook 423 00:22:55,170 --> 00:22:53,150 opposite of YouTube by the way and I'll 424 00:23:00,610 --> 00:22:55,180 get to that in just a second 425 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:00,620 Facebook is is dealing with themselves 426 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:02,330 being in the news in the mass media 427 00:23:11,260 --> 00:23:08,450 every single day about data and and fake 428 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:11,270 stuff I want to say this right I don't 429 00:23:17,380 --> 00:23:14,050 know I don't want to seem too harsh here 430 00:23:20,980 --> 00:23:17,390 but all of it everything facebook has 431 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:20,990 brought upon themselves all right 432 00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:23,450 Oh somebody just posted here Roger King 433 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:26,390 you mentioned jobs Waze really wazniak 434 00:23:32,140 --> 00:23:28,850 just bailed on Facebook oh man that's 435 00:23:35,950 --> 00:23:32,150 harsh is that official I would like to 436 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:35,960 know if that's actually true before I 437 00:23:40,030 --> 00:23:38,330 say that publicly but that's uh that 438 00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:40,040 would be pretty amazing if he did too as 439 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:45,460 well but now in the news Facebook is 440 00:23:55,330 --> 00:23:50,930 supposedly rolling out this program to 441 00:23:57,250 --> 00:23:55,340 see how you were affected tool right and 442 00:24:00,700 --> 00:23:57,260 it's supposed to be at the top of the 443 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:00,710 news feeds to inform users if they were 444 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:02,510 among the tens of millions of people who 445 00:24:07,150 --> 00:24:04,610 had their data improperly harvested by 446 00:24:08,860 --> 00:24:07,160 Cambridge analytical and the link will 447 00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:08,870 take them to the Help Center page that 448 00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:12,470 says if and how their data may have been 449 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:15,590 misused I haven't seen anything pop up 450 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:18,710 on Facebook yet and my feed the full 451 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:20,690 rollout is going to happen over 452 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:22,130 I'm apparently they're not gonna do it 453 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:24,050 right away so not all users will see a 454 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:26,030 link at the same time I haven't seen 455 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:29,690 anything yet users who are not affected 456 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:31,490 will see a different link highlighting 457 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:33,290 which apps are connected I haven't seen 458 00:24:37,660 --> 00:24:35,330 that link yet either 459 00:24:39,580 --> 00:24:37,670 okay the link also directs users to a 460 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:39,590 tool that allows them to disconnect apps 461 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:42,820 from their accounts tomorrow 462 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:44,810 Zuckerberg is going to appear before 463 00:24:48,910 --> 00:24:47,330 Congress to discuss the data controversy 464 00:24:51,820 --> 00:24:48,920 and yeah of course I'm gonna be watching 465 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:51,830 as will the rest of the world there are 466 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:53,690 so many huge stories developing at the 467 00:25:00,520 --> 00:24:57,770 same time we have Facebook we have the 468 00:25:03,670 --> 00:25:00,530 North Korea meeting with Trump and I'm 469 00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:03,680 wondering if it will actually happen but 470 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:07,670 let's see but we have that we have Syria 471 00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:10,970 and last week we were done with Syria 472 00:25:15,910 --> 00:25:12,980 right and we were gonna start pulling 473 00:25:17,980 --> 00:25:15,920 back our troops but now it appears that 474 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:17,990 is not the case there's a chemical 475 00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:19,610 attack and it looks like we're gonna be 476 00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:21,790 bombing the country in the next 24 hours 477 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:24,950 we have the China trade Wars and how 478 00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:27,290 that's ratcheting up in our stock market 479 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:31,040 crashing all of this is just the portion 480 00:25:37,150 --> 00:25:33,290 of the news that involve the Cabal in 481 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:37,160 the New World Order it's like crazy and 482 00:25:43,330 --> 00:25:39,530 it's all going out at the same time but 483 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:43,340 isn't it amazing how YouTube managed to 484 00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:46,130 get themselves out of the news cycle so 485 00:25:55,650 --> 00:25:51,800 fast just last week somebody went in to 486 00:25:59,460 --> 00:25:55,660 YouTube and shot up the place over what 487 00:26:03,460 --> 00:25:59,470 censorship right throttling back numbers 488 00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:03,470 maybe subscribers views clicks on a page 489 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:06,830 and that was that was a really really 490 00:26:12,970 --> 00:26:10,970 big deal not only what happened in that 491 00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:12,980 somebody went and shot up the place and 492 00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:15,230 then she shot herself and committed 493 00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:21,200 suicide on the YouTube campus but it was 494 00:26:30,970 --> 00:26:25,790 over censorship and YouTube managed to 495 00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:30,980 get all of it out of the news and I am 496 00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:34,640 impressed you know I 497 00:26:40,269 --> 00:26:37,340 I I don't know what to make of it part 498 00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,279 of it is also the news cycle that we are 499 00:26:44,889 --> 00:26:43,279 in right now I don't do politics on the 500 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:44,899 show so I'm not going to get involved in 501 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:46,250 all of that but there were some huge 502 00:26:53,769 --> 00:26:48,110 breaking news today that went down in 503 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:53,779 New York we have so we have that with 504 00:26:59,769 --> 00:26:56,809 the SD NY and what they are doing in New 505 00:27:01,600 --> 00:26:59,779 York we have the UN and Security Council 506 00:27:04,210 --> 00:27:01,610 meetings right now going down with nikki 507 00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,220 Haley telling them that we don't care 508 00:27:09,490 --> 00:27:05,840 what the UN does we're gonna start 509 00:27:13,509 --> 00:27:09,500 bombing so that is going on and all of 510 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:13,519 with everything else Facebook and what's 511 00:27:18,879 --> 00:27:15,529 going on with North Korea and of course 512 00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:18,889 Russia all of this is like big New World 513 00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:21,950 Order stuff right and I guess it needed 514 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:28,700 to be that big to overshadow YouTube and 515 00:27:35,529 --> 00:27:32,210 I find that amazing I really really do 516 00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:35,539 so with all of that we're gonna talk to 517 00:27:41,980 --> 00:27:38,600 John Greenwald tonight one of the things 518 00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:41,990 that I do want to mention and I might 519 00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:44,360 covered this in my little intro to the 520 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:45,230 show tonight 521 00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:48,049 with the fader knots in the bunker cam 522 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:54,320 but the black vault when it started it 523 00:28:02,830 --> 00:27:56,690 was and still is to this day one of my 524 00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,840 go-to resources for anything and I found 525 00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:05,440 out and I remember somebody had told me 526 00:28:12,129 --> 00:28:09,950 it was in in in the 90s somewhere maybe 527 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:12,139 around 2000 but somebody said one of my 528 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:14,330 UFO friends goes hey man you know the 529 00:28:18,639 --> 00:28:15,769 guy that runs the black vault 530 00:28:22,090 --> 00:28:18,649 he's like twelve years old and he lives 531 00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:22,100 in Burbank and you know something to 532 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:23,960 that effect I was like we've got to be 533 00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:26,210 kidding me so then I go and I find out I 534 00:28:31,060 --> 00:28:28,700 think Oh check out John Greenwald I 535 00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:31,070 found out just that he was a he was a 536 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:34,100 teenager when he started that John has 537 00:28:40,330 --> 00:28:36,710 been around with the internet since just 538 00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,340 about day one so he is one of the most 539 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:41,840 important people to talk to about 540 00:28:46,180 --> 00:28:44,690 anything he knows how to dance on the 541 00:28:48,130 --> 00:28:46,190 internet he knows how to investigate 542 00:28:50,170 --> 00:28:48,140 he's a great producer of 543 00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:50,180 television shows here in Burbank and 544 00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:54,020 he's been doing this forever so when he 545 00:29:01,060 --> 00:28:56,120 investigates and he goes and he needs to 546 00:29:02,530 --> 00:29:01,070 find out stuff he will not stop and he 547 00:29:04,780 --> 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black 618 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:40,380 I like saying that fade to black 619 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:44,230 fade to black it should be a song oh it 620 00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:47,050 is a male shimmy Church I'm the game 621 00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:50,100 changer network and kg RA the planets 622 00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:53,320 tonight our guest is John Greenwald 623 00:34:01,080 --> 00:33:56,580 tomorrow night Anthony of Sanchez's here 624 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:01,090 Wednesday night Daniel Danny P Sheehan 625 00:34:05,670 --> 00:34:03,850 Thursday night Jon Rappoport and is no 626 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:05,680 more fake newsroom live followed by open 627 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:09,010 lines all night long and this weekend 628 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:12,310 I'm not over at Coast to Coast AM what 629 00:34:18,210 --> 00:34:15,010 am I going to do with myself but tonight 630 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,220 it is John Greenwald jr. he hosts the 631 00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:21,520 popular website the black vault comm the 632 00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:23,620 black vault is the largest online 633 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:26,110 database of US government documents in 634 00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:28,570 the world John began researching the 635 00:34:33,629 --> 00:34:30,040 secret inner workings of the US 636 00:34:37,139 --> 00:34:33,639 government at the young age of 15 he 637 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:37,149 targeted such groups as the CIA the FBI 638 00:34:43,860 --> 00:34:40,690 the Pentagon the Air Force Army Navy the 639 00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:43,870 NSA the DIA countless others Greenwald 640 00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:47,110 utilized the Freedom of Information Act 641 00:34:52,350 --> 00:34:49,870 fo ia to gain access to thousands of 642 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:52,360 Records he accumulated an astonishing 643 00:34:56,909 --> 00:34:54,370 number of documents on topics related to 644 00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:56,919 UFOs the JFK assassination chemical 645 00:35:02,670 --> 00:34:58,810 biological and nuclear weapons and 646 00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:02,680 top-secret aircraft he has been featured 647 00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:04,660 on television networks such as The 648 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:06,070 History Channel Discovery Channel 649 00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:06,700 Learning Channel 650 00:35:12,990 --> 00:35:10,180 Amy FOX NBC along with international 651 00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:13,000 networks such as the BBC in the NTV over 652 00:35:18,810 --> 00:35:15,220 in Japan tonight we're gonna discuss his 653 00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:18,820 research into to the Stars Academy Lewis 654 00:35:24,030 --> 00:35:21,670 Elizondo a tip through his direct 655 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:24,040 contact with the Pentagon and documents 656 00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:25,570 he acquired through the Freedom of 657 00:35:31,530 --> 00:35:28,750 Information Act his website of course is 658 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:31,540 the black vault comm I would like to 659 00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:32,950 welcome back to fade to black the one 660 00:35:37,860 --> 00:35:35,560 and only John Greenwald I'm gonna say 661 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:37,870 junior I have to John good evening 662 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:40,330 I appreciate that yeah thank you it's 663 00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:41,050 good to be here 664 00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:43,750 you know John this is the thing and I 665 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:44,680 kind of I'm 666 00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:47,410 joking about this but I'm not but when I 667 00:35:53,010 --> 00:35:49,900 discovered the black vault back in the 668 00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:53,020 90s I had one of my UFO buddies hit me 669 00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:54,520 up one day and I was we were talking 670 00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,140 about the black vault he's like hey man 671 00:36:01,680 --> 00:35:59,200 you know it's run by a 12 year old and I 672 00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:01,690 was like what so I looked into you and 673 00:36:08,190 --> 00:36:05,020 sure enough he you know he was saying it 674 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:08,200 in jest but he wasn't far off with that 675 00:36:13,410 --> 00:36:12,280 but when people say things like well you 676 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:13,420 know the black vault you know it's 677 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:15,430 probably run by some fifteen-year-old 678 00:36:24,030 --> 00:36:18,250 kid in his underwear in Burbank they 679 00:36:26,250 --> 00:36:24,040 were right yeah that was quite a few 680 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:26,260 years ago now but yeah no no they were 681 00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:28,630 they were right it was a long time ago 682 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:31,720 and I dreamt up this idea but I was 15 683 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:34,089 when I started it and it was all based 684 00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:35,770 on the the Freedom of Information Act 685 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:37,180 request like like he would mention in 686 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:39,550 the introduction there and and I just I 687 00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:42,250 knew that there was a thirst for this 688 00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,369 type of knowledge and even at 15 you 689 00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:46,960 know I mean I was a punk little kid who 690 00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:49,470 I should have been focusing more on 691 00:36:56,190 --> 00:36:52,680 schoolwork and and by the way my parents 692 00:36:57,690 --> 00:36:56,200 you said I'm a junior senior along with 693 00:36:59,760 --> 00:36:57,700 my mother who's my biggest fan are 694 00:37:02,309 --> 00:36:59,770 listening in to you right now Jimmy yeah 695 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:02,319 they will agree they will agree that I 696 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:04,089 should have focused more on school and 697 00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:05,890 I'm sure they're laughing right now both 698 00:37:09,059 --> 00:37:07,960 out loud but it's true I should have 699 00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:09,069 focused more on school but that's when I 700 00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:10,240 started the black vault I was a 701 00:37:14,430 --> 00:37:12,190 sophomore in high school and Here I am 702 00:37:16,530 --> 00:37:14,440 twelve thousand years later and then 703 00:37:17,549 --> 00:37:16,540 still at it yeah and so you did you go 704 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:17,559 to Burbank High School 705 00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,730 I didn't al Alemany to be exact 706 00:37:26,730 --> 00:37:23,700 for high school all right there you go 707 00:37:29,339 --> 00:37:26,740 now this is the thing and your parents 708 00:37:32,339 --> 00:37:29,349 are really cool by the way and I'll just 709 00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:32,349 say that right now to support you 710 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:35,710 through this I'm sure they had other 711 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:37,170 plans 712 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:40,089 before well in that they don't need 713 00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:43,270 their son's name on all of the lists at 714 00:37:47,970 --> 00:37:47,020 all of the agencies yeah have you 715 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:47,980 thought about that 716 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:52,089 I mean now years and stay one yes yeah 717 00:37:56,099 --> 00:37:54,250 and and here's and here's why not to cut 718 00:37:58,500 --> 00:37:56,109 you off but my dad has the same name I 719 00:38:02,820 --> 00:37:58,510 do he's John Greenwald also right now 720 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:02,830 I adopted the jr. to not confuse the 721 00:38:08,070 --> 00:38:06,130 government with my father who I'm not 722 00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:08,080 blowing any state secrets here but he 723 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:12,190 worked for Rocketdyne and worked on the 724 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:15,070 space shuttle and so indirectly he was 725 00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:17,770 working you know with NASA and and and 726 00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:20,320 contracted obviously through Rocketdyne 727 00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:24,190 and so he was definitely afraid that 728 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:27,940 this fifteen-year-old kid was was filing 729 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:29,050 these Freedom of Information Act 730 00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:30,730 requests for every government secret you 731 00:38:34,170 --> 00:38:31,990 could ever imagine I mean we're talking 732 00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:34,180 about UFOs tonight and that is where I 733 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:36,520 started but I told everything I mean 734 00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:39,370 I've got now here we are 21 years later 735 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:42,280 I've got almost 2 million pages on every 736 00:38:46,050 --> 00:38:43,810 government secret you could probably 737 00:38:48,210 --> 00:38:46,060 dream up and I've either gone after 738 00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:48,220 records on it or have something on it 739 00:38:54,810 --> 00:38:51,070 and so my dad god bless him had a you 740 00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:54,820 know a job working in essence for the 741 00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:57,040 government a government contractor I had 742 00:39:01,110 --> 00:38:59,050 to adopt that jr. I'm not legally a jr. 743 00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:01,120 but that's why that's why it has stuck 744 00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,700 ever since then because senior did not 745 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:06,640 look did not want to be confused with me 746 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:08,410 yeah and here in the valley 747 00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:11,890 most people don't know around the 748 00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:14,590 country they think of Burbank and they 749 00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:16,750 think of NBC or Johnny Carson 750 00:39:20,460 --> 00:39:18,790 and and the television and as well they 751 00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:20,470 should and Disney and and everything 752 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:22,750 that goes on here the if you're not 753 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:24,610 working for the movie or television 754 00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:28,090 industry you were working for Lockheed 755 00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:31,390 you were working for up to Rocketdyne or 756 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:34,120 all of these other aerospace companies 757 00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:37,570 that all the way across the valley from 758 00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:40,030 Thousand Oaks and Simi Valley the the 759 00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:43,030 Mojave Desert all the way in to Burbank 760 00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,880 the Lockheed Lockheed skunkworks which 761 00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:47,920 as everybody knows was at Burbank 762 00:39:53,970 --> 00:39:51,910 Airport across the street and I used to 763 00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:53,980 trip on this across the street there you 764 00:40:00,180 --> 00:39:57,310 know buy fries as the Lockheed credit 765 00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:00,190 union which was for the skunkworks 766 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:03,760 employees and that that was the industry 767 00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:05,770 here so your father was a part of it if 768 00:40:09,150 --> 00:40:07,390 he didn't do that he would have been in 769 00:40:12,270 --> 00:40:09,160 the movie industry so go figure 770 00:40:13,770 --> 00:40:12,280 yeah and it's sad though I will say this 771 00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,780 I will give a shout out not only to my 772 00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:15,520 dad but but but the men and women who 773 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:16,900 worked on the space shuttle in the space 774 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:18,970 program and it's so sad because I grew 775 00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:20,890 up with it you know knowing that my dad 776 00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:22,270 worked on these things I would watch the 777 00:40:25,950 --> 00:40:24,340 launches we even went out to Edwards Air 778 00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:25,960 Force Base watch the landing one times 779 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:28,480 really really cool but like you said a 780 00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,730 lot of times people weren't realizing 781 00:40:35,250 --> 00:40:32,400 what was in their own backyard and 782 00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:35,260 Rocketdyne you know with with at the 783 00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:37,720 time had two plants in the valley and 784 00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:41,460 where my dad worked who's now retired he 785 00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:44,350 will drive by where he used to work in 786 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:46,120 it's I I don't know my dad will know 787 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:48,130 better than I will but last I heard from 788 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:50,770 him about it it was a dirt lot and you 789 00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:52,090 know these companies are being bought 790 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:53,470 out by other companies and bigger 791 00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:54,970 corporations and it was no longer 792 00:40:58,290 --> 00:40:56,710 Rocketdyne it became Boeing and then 793 00:41:00,210 --> 00:40:58,300 Pratt and Whitney or whatever the the 794 00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:00,220 hierarchy was it just kind of get sold 795 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:02,620 and resold and and it's a it's really 796 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,630 sad because I think a lot of people they 797 00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:06,400 don't know that history like I said I 798 00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:08,950 grew up with it it's in my blood my 799 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:11,500 grandfather from my dad's side worked on 800 00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,290 you know top-secret literally top-secret 801 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:16,720 programs for the government and I was 802 00:41:20,850 --> 00:41:18,370 able to actually through the Freedom of 803 00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:20,860 Information Act find records that my 804 00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:23,620 grandfather wrote now he passed away 805 00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:25,990 before I was ever born but you know I 806 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:28,150 know a lot of his history or at least 807 00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:29,650 some of it I should say and then through 808 00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:31,240 the Freedom of Information Act was was 809 00:41:35,610 --> 00:41:33,700 able to see some more so I it's in my 810 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:35,620 blood to love this kind of stuff and I 811 00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:37,510 really do but it's sad because people 812 00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:40,360 really don't pay attention to what's in 813 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:41,740 their own backyard and there's so much 814 00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,690 history out there not only here in the 815 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:45,760 valley but I mean wherever you know 816 00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:47,350 wherever your listeners are from there's 817 00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:50,020 there's probably something within 50 60 818 00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:52,540 miles connecting to some kind of 819 00:41:57,330 --> 00:41:55,510 top-secret project somewhere and it's 820 00:41:57,900 --> 00:41:57,340 amazing when you take some time and look 821 00:42:03,120 --> 00:41:57,910 into it 822 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:03,130 when you are 15 you life is long and 823 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:08,650 endless and you have a lot less I care 824 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:13,270 about yourself would you have done this 825 00:42:20,670 --> 00:42:17,410 stuff with you know targeting the CIA 826 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:20,680 the FBI and the Pentagon if you were an 827 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:23,650 adult was that a decision made by a 828 00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:25,530 careless 15 year old 829 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:28,380 no absolutely and I but I you know in 830 00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:29,850 the same breath I'll also say I never 831 00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:33,480 thought more than two decades later I 832 00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:35,940 would be talking to the Jimmy Church on 833 00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,700 the radio and still doing it you know 834 00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,560 like I never would have dreamt that as a 835 00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:43,440 15 year old kid I was fascinated by it 836 00:42:48,430 --> 00:42:45,960 I dove in I had no idea what the Freedom 837 00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:48,440 of Information Act was at the time and 838 00:42:51,860 --> 00:42:50,280 and I was learning about these 839 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:51,870 intelligence agencies that I had never 840 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:53,490 even heard of I mean everybody knows the 841 00:42:57,110 --> 00:42:56,010 CIA and the FBI and all that stuff but I 842 00:42:59,420 --> 00:42:57,120 was learning about these you know 843 00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,430 intelligence agencies that really aren't 844 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:01,440 talked about a lot you know I mean 845 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:02,970 organizations like the National 846 00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:05,370 Reconnaissance Office that operated in 847 00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:06,990 secret for decades before they were even 848 00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:08,700 officially acknowledged and Here I am 849 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:11,430 you know just blindly flooding them all 850 00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:13,890 with Freedom of Information Act requests 851 00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:16,380 and letters and and what I learned 852 00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:18,900 indirectly from somebody in the Pentagon 853 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:20,700 or I should say directly from somebody 854 00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,170 in the Pentagon who had retired and they 855 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:24,000 wrote me on the side and they did not 856 00:43:27,620 --> 00:43:26,250 give me any state secrets before anybody 857 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:27,630 listening and wants to call me and 858 00:43:31,930 --> 00:43:29,610 wonder what happened they just called in 859 00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:31,940 were very complimentary they had retired 860 00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,830 based on some of the bureaucracy that 861 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:36,240 was going on and within the Pentagon 862 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:38,970 they did confirm who they were by 863 00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:41,370 telling me about letters only I and the 864 00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:42,780 Pentagon knew about so they were 865 00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:45,540 definitely who they said you know we're 866 00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:48,150 saying they were and he told me he says 867 00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:49,470 you know the one thing that made you 868 00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:52,380 stand out other than your age was in 869 00:43:57,020 --> 00:43:54,180 essence you didn't take the company line 870 00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,030 and that has always stuck with me 871 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:00,000 because as that 15 year old careless kid 872 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:03,690 you to get them for the government to 873 00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:05,130 get you away they're just going to give 874 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,840 you that standard cut and paste line 875 00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:08,640 right and the majority of the people 876 00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:10,590 will walk away and go well they told me 877 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:12,540 this so it has to be gospel and they'll 878 00:44:17,180 --> 00:44:15,210 they'll stop asking and he was very on a 879 00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:17,190 complimentary level said you did not 880 00:44:22,340 --> 00:44:19,560 take that line and you kept pushing and 881 00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:22,350 you kept asking those questions and he 882 00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:24,270 said it went from a fascination inside 883 00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:25,560 the Pentagon and I don't want to say 884 00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,720 what office but it was in the Pentagon 885 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:30,240 and he says it went from a fascination 886 00:44:35,330 --> 00:44:32,850 that a 15 and a 16 year old kid was 887 00:44:38,060 --> 00:44:35,340 doing this but then you stuck with it 888 00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:38,070 and you didn't go away and he says then 889 00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:39,030 it up settle 890 00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:40,680 people he says that's part of the reason 891 00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:42,840 why I retired and left because you know 892 00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:44,910 they didn't want to actually do what 893 00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:47,220 they were there to do and that was to 894 00:44:52,070 --> 00:44:50,190 honestly answer your questions and your 895 00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:52,080 FOIA request and if you ask for 896 00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:55,260 something you know it by law to search 897 00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:58,050 for it and even though I did get the 898 00:45:03,020 --> 00:45:00,150 runaround a lot when I pushed I got 899 00:45:05,060 --> 00:45:03,030 answers and and the FOIA really was a 900 00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:05,070 very important tool that I learned very 901 00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:07,590 early on that although it had its 902 00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:09,270 shortcomings it was something that was 903 00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,430 going to produce results what I do the 904 00:45:19,420 --> 00:45:14,160 same thing as an adult now that I have a 905 00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:19,430 little four year old boys look after I 906 00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:22,440 second-guess it you know Here I am I'm 907 00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:24,300 stuck I'm not going anywhere 908 00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,110 has it opened up relationships with the 909 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:30,240 different agencies do you have 910 00:45:37,610 --> 00:45:33,330 relationships now and and you know can 911 00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:37,620 you pick up the phone and call the CIA I 912 00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:40,560 yeah and in fact on Friday I did that 913 00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:42,360 very thing and had a great conversation 914 00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:44,190 with one of the FOIA officers there 915 00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:47,220 about one of my requests I've filed 916 00:45:52,340 --> 00:45:50,760 since that age of 15 8,000 Freedom of 917 00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,350 Information Act requests now those are 918 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:53,760 just the core letters that doesn't 919 00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,890 include the follow-ups the appeals and 920 00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,400 all that so it is a huge amount of 921 00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:01,440 requesting and you know in that process 922 00:46:07,820 --> 00:46:04,350 yeah I've made friendships and and have 923 00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:07,830 learned to really respect the people the 924 00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:09,360 majority of the people that are working 925 00:46:13,610 --> 00:46:11,220 inside these FOIA offices because I know 926 00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:13,620 that it's not easy and I know that 927 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:14,940 because they're dealing with people like 928 00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:17,490 me you know and I don't give up and I do 929 00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:19,350 ask those questions and I ask the hard 930 00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:23,040 ones and and and the what I mean by that 931 00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:25,380 is is requesting those documents and 932 00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,300 pushing for the answers by law they 933 00:46:31,490 --> 00:46:29,760 don't have to answer any questions so I 934 00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,500 kind of worded that wrong but but I'm 935 00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:34,800 pushing for the right documents and I'm 936 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:37,260 pushing in the right direction and so 937 00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:38,730 I've learned to respect that but then 938 00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:42,060 you do have you know some FOIA offices 939 00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,700 that aren't as good not as friendly not 940 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:47,760 as thorough not as detailed not as open 941 00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:49,530 as others and those are the ones that 942 00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:52,020 become very challenging so although I've 943 00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:52,980 made friends and 944 00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,740 and acquaintances and and and learn to 945 00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,839 respect it and this in respective 946 00:47:02,060 --> 00:46:59,760 process there are people that do try and 947 00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:02,070 hinder it and and it's sad because this 948 00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:03,599 is something that you and I pay a lot of 949 00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:06,270 money every year with our taxes for this 950 00:47:10,819 --> 00:47:08,550 program to work so I think it's up to us 951 00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:10,829 to to utilize it and it's up to them 952 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:13,079 who's getting a paycheck paid for by you 953 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:15,450 and me to actually do their job right 954 00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:17,970 and and that's is where the challenge 955 00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:20,430 comes in but you know I just take that 956 00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:21,780 as part of the game and keep pushing 957 00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:24,300 tell me about the process a little bit 958 00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:29,089 when you are presenting your information 959 00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:35,040 you combine reporting and journalistic 960 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:38,609 skills with the the black and white 961 00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:43,170 right the the documents themselves how 962 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:45,180 much Liberty do you take in your 963 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:48,930 comments and your opinions or is all of 964 00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:51,810 that only directly based on black and 965 00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,440 white it's primarily based on black and 966 00:48:00,200 --> 00:47:57,599 white and that's generally the only 967 00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:00,210 thing I give you my opinions are very 968 00:48:04,339 --> 00:48:02,760 few and far between I have a lot of fun 969 00:48:06,980 --> 00:48:04,349 chatting about it like you and I are 970 00:48:08,829 --> 00:48:06,990 doing now and and and you know throwing 971 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:08,839 things out there and making people think 972 00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:11,010 sometimes I'll throw ideas out there 973 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:12,900 that I don't necessarily believe in but 974 00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:14,970 to play devil's advocate and in the 975 00:48:18,740 --> 00:48:16,980 grander scheme of things my idea with 976 00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,750 the black ball is to give you that 977 00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:20,400 information to really question what you 978 00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:21,750 think if I only gave you what you 979 00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:24,150 already believed you know it wouldn't be 980 00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:26,910 that exciting and and the documents in a 981 00:48:31,579 --> 00:48:28,710 lot of ways really challenge everybody 982 00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:31,589 who chooses to read them because they 983 00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:33,240 aren't even though they're black and 984 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:35,849 white in the true sense sometimes you 985 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:37,170 really have to read between the lines 986 00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:39,210 and sometimes you really have to start 987 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,700 thinking out of the box not only getting 988 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:43,680 the information but also trying to 989 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:46,050 decipher what it means and so there's a 990 00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:47,609 couple wait you know different ways to 991 00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:49,740 approach the black vault because a lot 992 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:51,390 of people that go there they're not the 993 00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,730 FOIA requesters they're not there to 994 00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:56,160 file their own requests and use my 995 00:49:00,740 --> 00:48:57,900 information as a stepping-stone they're 996 00:49:02,569 --> 00:49:00,750 there to in essence learn and that's all 997 00:49:04,099 --> 00:49:02,579 they're there for on the other hand I do 998 00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:04,109 have those people that come to the black 999 00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:05,880 vault and use it as a stepping stone to 1000 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:06,750 go after other 1001 00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:08,490 material that I didn't go after and 1002 00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:10,950 that's all part of why I do what I do is 1003 00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:13,740 to kind of bring everybody together and 1004 00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:16,590 give them give them the ammunition they 1005 00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:18,599 need to go out there and and pursue the 1006 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:21,390 truth that what the truth that they're 1007 00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:24,330 looking for and and so that's that's 1008 00:49:29,540 --> 00:49:26,849 what I do but opinions it's pretty rare 1009 00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:29,550 online you know when I when I give them 1010 00:49:33,830 --> 00:49:31,470 again and it I let the audience decide 1011 00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:33,840 nobody really cares what I think 1012 00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:35,940 in the sense of well I think this 1013 00:49:41,060 --> 00:49:37,950 document means that or this document 1014 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:41,070 means this I in my ultimate goal is to 1015 00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:43,410 make people think for themselves and 1016 00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:45,900 decipher what it is and people will come 1017 00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:47,550 up with varying answers and that's all 1018 00:49:51,380 --> 00:49:49,260 well and good that's awesome because 1019 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:51,390 that's that's why I do what I do I want 1020 00:49:55,250 --> 00:49:53,490 that debate and I want people to to have 1021 00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,260 fun looking at the information and also 1022 00:50:00,589 --> 00:49:57,599 I think that they're very surprised when 1023 00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:00,599 they take a little bit of time to read 1024 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:04,200 it and the best letters I get I would 1025 00:50:08,810 --> 00:50:06,330 say the best but the most humorous I 1026 00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:08,820 guess is the right word is when somebody 1027 00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:11,220 accuses me of faking it that the 1028 00:50:16,460 --> 00:50:13,230 documents that I put online are nothing 1029 00:50:18,859 --> 00:50:16,470 more than me in Photoshop or Microsoft 1030 00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,869 Word typing these things up and faking 1031 00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:21,359 it and it sounds laughable but I 1032 00:50:25,579 --> 00:50:24,030 genuinely get those letters and the 1033 00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,589 reason why I love those so much is it 1034 00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:27,839 makes me realize I'm doing my job right 1035 00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,300 here though because this information is 1036 00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:32,400 something that challenged them so much 1037 00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,680 it was easier for them to say well John 1038 00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,720 Green was faking it you know he hoax 1039 00:50:40,099 --> 00:50:38,460 that document there's no way it's real 1040 00:50:43,099 --> 00:50:40,109 and that's how I know that I've gotten 1041 00:50:45,020 --> 00:50:43,109 somewhere good I have heard and I need 1042 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:45,030 your clarification on this I have heard 1043 00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:48,570 from other for experts and requesters 1044 00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:50,849 out there that do you know it's really 1045 00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:53,880 hard work but they have told me I've 1046 00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:55,619 heard a variety of things but one of 1047 00:51:00,620 --> 00:50:57,900 them is that the easiest way to get a 1048 00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:00,630 FOIA document is you have the actual 1049 00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:04,140 document number or the report number 1050 00:51:10,339 --> 00:51:07,800 that if you just go with search words 1051 00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:10,349 they may not do the due diligence and 1052 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:12,030 it's difficult and they have to go 1053 00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:13,770 through file cabinets and a lot of this 1054 00:51:19,570 --> 00:51:16,710 stuff is on paper and it's not digitized 1055 00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:19,580 and so can you help Claire 1056 00:51:25,870 --> 00:51:23,630 that sure it all comes down to what 1057 00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:25,880 exactly you're requesting and like you 1058 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:27,950 said a lot of things are just on paper 1059 00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,770 they're not digitized there's no keyword 1060 00:51:35,860 --> 00:51:32,720 search that they can just punch in and 1061 00:51:37,570 --> 00:51:35,870 and and search for documents so you know 1062 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:37,580 I would say that it doesn't rule you out 1063 00:51:42,580 --> 00:51:40,010 if you don't have a report number it 1064 00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:42,590 definitely helps but in the same respect 1065 00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:45,920 you know if you're too specific if you 1066 00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:48,830 give too much detail that is giving them 1067 00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:51,640 leeway to get out of it that if by 1068 00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:54,440 reading exactly what you put and again 1069 00:51:58,720 --> 00:51:56,540 you have too many details and a few 1070 00:52:01,350 --> 00:51:58,730 details are wrong they can technically 1071 00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,360 say not sorry we've got nothing on this 1072 00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:03,920 but it was just because you've worded it 1073 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:07,550 too wordy and wrong so sometimes it can 1074 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:09,290 come back and bite you but again it 1075 00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:11,570 really is a case-by-case basis sometimes 1076 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:14,150 yes you're absolutely right a report 1077 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:18,410 number a date you know a title and 1078 00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:21,170 author if there is one or an agency that 1079 00:52:26,890 --> 00:52:24,110 created it that is definitely helpful 1080 00:52:28,990 --> 00:52:26,900 with those types of requests other times 1081 00:52:31,870 --> 00:52:29,000 and this is something that I've done 1082 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:31,880 even recently where you go after emails 1083 00:52:37,090 --> 00:52:35,090 for specific personnel or a group of 1084 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:37,100 people and whatever agency you're 1085 00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:40,850 targeting for a search of their email 1086 00:52:46,660 --> 00:52:43,670 addresses but only using a keyword 1087 00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:46,670 search and that's it no other details 1088 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:50,420 don't tell them why don't get wordy you 1089 00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:52,370 just say I want a search of James 1090 00:52:58,210 --> 00:52:55,910 Madison's emails for the keyword North 1091 00:53:00,280 --> 00:52:58,220 Korea right and that's it and you don't 1092 00:53:02,830 --> 00:53:00,290 say anything else and and you give it a 1093 00:53:06,730 --> 00:53:02,840 time frame and so you say from January 1094 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:06,740 1st 2017 the you know December 31st and 1095 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:08,690 then and then you see what you come up 1096 00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:11,090 with and so you you have to kind of 1097 00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:12,830 frame it in that way with the least 1098 00:53:18,550 --> 00:53:16,550 amount of specificity as you can because 1099 00:53:20,020 --> 00:53:18,560 that can come back and bite you so I 1100 00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:20,030 know that doesn't really answer your 1101 00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:22,430 question but it is a case-by-case basis 1102 00:53:26,830 --> 00:53:25,280 depending upon what you're going to try 1103 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:26,840 and find that's how you kind of 1104 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:28,850 formulate the request we're going to 1105 00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:31,250 head towards break here in a few minutes 1106 00:53:36,990 --> 00:53:33,950 and and we'll get into TTS a and what 1107 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:37,000 you found out and but after the break 1108 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:41,450 but that my question is this when a 1109 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:45,770 document is created inside of the 1110 00:53:51,250 --> 00:53:48,650 federal government technically are all 1111 00:53:54,580 --> 00:53:51,260 of those documents technically available 1112 00:53:58,810 --> 00:53:54,590 and no matter what the document is 1113 00:54:02,170 --> 00:53:58,820 available for FOIA yes as long as it's a 1114 00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,180 federal agency FBI NSA all of those 1115 00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:04,160 agencies there are exceptions one of 1116 00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:08,240 which is the White House so that is 1117 00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:10,190 under the presidential Records Act and 1118 00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,470 in essence anything that Donald Trump's 1119 00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:14,960 administration creates within the White 1120 00:54:21,339 --> 00:54:18,740 House you cannot file a Freedom of 1121 00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:21,349 Information Act request for until he is 1122 00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:23,390 out of office and then the National 1123 00:54:28,330 --> 00:54:25,250 Archives takes over and all of those 1124 00:54:31,089 --> 00:54:28,340 presidential records are then FOIA Obul 1125 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:31,099 if we can make up that word you can then 1126 00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:32,930 file a FOIA request for all those 1127 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:34,609 presidential records they get 1128 00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:36,410 transferred to the National Archives and 1129 00:54:40,900 --> 00:54:38,150 then they go into the Trump library and 1130 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:40,910 so every time that a president opens up 1131 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:43,010 their library it's it's a you know field 1132 00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:44,930 day for people like me because then you 1133 00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,940 can start requesting all of those of 1134 00:54:51,250 --> 00:54:49,040 those records but outside of the White 1135 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:51,260 House pretty much every federal agency 1136 00:55:00,040 --> 00:54:55,130 any military branch they all are subject 1137 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:00,050 to the FOIA and then what the exceptions 1138 00:55:06,310 --> 00:55:04,730 are are a list of nine exemptions and as 1139 00:55:09,370 --> 00:55:06,320 long as the information that you're 1140 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:09,380 requesting does not in some way fit into 1141 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:11,450 those nine exemptions which is those 1142 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,089 blacked out marks that you see as long 1143 00:55:18,310 --> 00:55:15,920 as it doesn't fit into that list of nine 1144 00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,320 exemptions then they by law have to 1145 00:55:24,910 --> 00:55:20,960 release it now sounds a lot cooler than 1146 00:55:27,010 --> 00:55:24,920 then it really is sadly there are about 1147 00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,020 two or three exemptions that are used 1148 00:55:31,630 --> 00:55:29,119 more than anything else and that is 1149 00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:31,640 primarily what the government uses as an 1150 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:33,710 excuse to black out information and then 1151 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:36,170 the the sharpies come out and then they 1152 00:55:41,050 --> 00:55:37,970 just start scratching out information 1153 00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:41,060 based on national security or based on 1154 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:42,020 in 1155 00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:45,410 rules and practices of the agency or an 1156 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:47,510 open law enforcement investigation those 1157 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:49,490 are the ones that you see the most they 1158 00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:51,770 black it all out photocopy that and 1159 00:55:57,730 --> 00:55:55,280 that's what you get so the basis of the 1160 00:55:59,920 --> 00:55:57,740 Freedom of Information Act the the basic 1161 00:56:02,590 --> 00:55:59,930 fundamentals of it are fairly simplistic 1162 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:02,600 but then when you really start diving in 1163 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:04,370 for information that's when it starts to 1164 00:56:10,570 --> 00:56:06,890 get complicated and really you've got to 1165 00:56:12,430 --> 00:56:10,580 kind of learn the different niches to go 1166 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:12,440 to within the government to really find 1167 00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:14,090 what you're looking for how many people 1168 00:56:22,210 --> 00:56:19,310 visit the black vault each day about ten 1169 00:56:24,790 --> 00:56:22,220 thousand people every day unique 1170 00:56:26,650 --> 00:56:24,800 visitors that sit down and type in the 1171 00:56:28,270 --> 00:56:26,660 black vault or search for it and come 1172 00:56:30,250 --> 00:56:28,280 through but about ten thousand people a 1173 00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,260 day that's it's getting pretty big yeah 1174 00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:33,200 that's incredible that's incredible I'm 1175 00:56:39,310 --> 00:56:35,030 gonna take a break right here now when 1176 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:39,320 we come back as we get into this to the 1177 00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:43,130 stars and your reporting and how it is 1178 00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:45,590 laid out is is really well done over at 1179 00:56:51,130 --> 00:56:47,960 the black vault comm and everybody can 1180 00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:51,140 go and read through as John and I talked 1181 00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:54,350 tonight but when we come back I want to 1182 00:56:59,860 --> 00:56:57,310 talk about your methodology on how you 1183 00:57:01,540 --> 00:56:59,870 were doing all of this and of course 1184 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:01,550 we'll talk about what happened up with 1185 00:57:06,610 --> 00:57:03,530 the Pentagon last week too as well all 1186 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:06,620 right now are you ready for that don't 1187 00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:08,690 get to me let's do it our guest tonight 1188 00:57:13,420 --> 00:57:11,390 is John Greenwald the black vault the 1189 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:13,430 black vault links are over at Jimmy 1190 00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:15,410 Church radio comm you can go and click 1191 00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:17,720 and right there in the front page is the 1192 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:20,000 to the stars report we'll be doing all 1193 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:21,650 of that right after this short break I'm 1194 00:57:28,180 --> 00:57:23,930 your host Jimmy Church on the game 1195 00:57:30,220 --> 00:57:28,190 changer network and kg are a the planet 1196 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:30,230 I'll be right back oh you can follow me 1197 00:57:35,830 --> 00:57:33,170 on twitter @jj radio but you can follow 1198 00:57:38,130 --> 00:57:35,840 John at black vault 1199 00:57:53,420 --> 00:57:38,140 comm on Twitter I'll be right back 1200 00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:55,500 this is fade to black 1201 00:58:01,110 --> 00:57:57,430 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 1202 00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:01,120 radio network and K GRA the global radio 1203 00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:02,910 alliance 1204 00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:06,220 this is KCRA digital broadcasting 1205 00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:09,550 station Salt Lake City Utah Van Buren 1206 00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:14,350 Arkansas hello Fator knots this is Jimmy 1207 00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:17,230 Church and I'm introducing new Pharma 1208 00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:19,630 a company whose products are based on 1209 00:58:27,150 --> 00:58:22,680 science human function based on the 1210 00:58:29,580 --> 00:58:27,160 endocannabinoid system 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up you know what is 1267 01:01:43,070 --> 01:01:40,920 because John Green wall is here from the 1268 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:43,080 black vault you can follow John on 1269 01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:46,170 Twitter at black vault calm I'm 1270 01:01:51,710 --> 01:01:48,570 surprised you didn't put calm the the 1271 01:01:53,540 --> 01:01:51,720 word dot you should have done dot I 1272 01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:53,550 think it was too long when I created it 1273 01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:57,330 years ago and I don't think it fit at 1274 01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:59,700 the time right I think there were too 1275 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:02,160 many characters to try and fit it all in 1276 01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,770 so but yes you're right it should be but 1277 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:06,720 sadly Twitter didn't let me I don't 1278 01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:08,970 believe at the time I love Twitter and I 1279 01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,040 love this audience I just got a tweet in 1280 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:13,440 from Scott and he says he can't confirm 1281 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:16,530 Rocketdyne is an empty lot in Woodland 1282 01:02:22,070 --> 01:02:20,010 Hills that's yeah if that yeah it is 1283 01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,080 really it is sad when they tore down 1284 01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:24,480 skunk works at Burbank Airport that 1285 01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:27,540 really bummed me out because that 1286 01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:29,369 building was right there nobody knew man 1287 01:02:36,500 --> 01:02:31,710 right there Hollywood Way and they were 1288 01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:36,510 developing the sr-71 think about that in 1289 01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:39,570 Burbank all that exhales hide it hide it 1290 01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:41,910 in plain sight there was a I think that 1291 01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:43,710 there are a lot of instances of that oh 1292 01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:47,369 they did man and and all that that crazy 1293 01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:49,859 fuel that they had for the sr-71 the 1294 01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:51,510 city of Burbank didn't know that they 1295 01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,089 had like you know a potential nuclear 1296 01:02:58,310 --> 01:02:56,640 incident you know if anything would have 1297 01:03:00,829 --> 01:02:58,320 happened those field tanks that were 1298 01:03:04,310 --> 01:03:00,839 there but again right in your backyard 1299 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:04,320 hide it in plain sight now let's get 1300 01:03:12,290 --> 01:03:09,810 into t TSA and what and your report on 1301 01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,300 it for everybody just go to the black 1302 01:03:15,470 --> 01:03:14,400 vault it's it's right there I've got it 1303 01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:15,480 up in front of me 1304 01:03:22,099 --> 01:03:19,980 and and not to cut you off just I set up 1305 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:22,109 a short URL for it it's the black vault 1306 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:26,250 comm /p tsa just for your show because I 1307 01:03:30,620 --> 01:03:28,410 knew we'd be talking about it a lot so 1308 01:03:35,060 --> 01:03:30,630 so that'll shoot you directly to that 1309 01:03:36,859 --> 01:03:35,070 page so the black vault comm /t TSA and 1310 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:36,869 that'll get you right into the page so 1311 01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:37,890 sorry I didn't mean to cut you off there 1312 01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:39,510 but I figured I'd help you out 1313 01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,740 playing people the right direction 1314 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:42,960 that's fine Rita get that a link up 1315 01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:45,210 there and I'll retweet that right now 1316 01:03:54,350 --> 01:03:49,050 and get that out there to everybody for 1317 01:03:59,540 --> 01:03:54,360 you what what kicked this off for you to 1318 01:04:01,310 --> 01:03:59,550 to jump into this and there there was 1319 01:04:05,810 --> 01:04:01,320 probably a catalyst at the very 1320 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:05,820 beginning what was that well I was 1321 01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,250 interested with what Tom DeLonge was 1322 01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,280 doing for you know a couple years now I 1323 01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:13,920 mean you have a rock star who in the 1324 01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:15,960 true sense of the word coming into the 1325 01:04:21,140 --> 01:04:19,020 UFO field and kind of making waves and 1326 01:04:23,030 --> 01:04:21,150 talking big about doing something doing 1327 01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:23,040 something doing something but you know I 1328 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:24,510 don't know what the exact timeframe was 1329 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:26,010 but it was quite a while that he was 1330 01:04:29,630 --> 01:04:27,570 saying I'm gonna do something and then 1331 01:04:32,540 --> 01:04:29,640 nothing ever happened and then come 1332 01:04:35,150 --> 01:04:32,550 October of last year he has this press 1333 01:04:37,010 --> 01:04:35,160 conference and I watched it you know 1334 01:04:40,060 --> 01:04:37,020 very interested because I wanted to see 1335 01:04:41,810 --> 01:04:40,070 what he was doing and in in in 1336 01:04:43,790 --> 01:04:41,820 presentations like this because it's 1337 01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:43,800 happened a few times over the years in 1338 01:04:47,630 --> 01:04:45,240 the field of ufology where there's a 1339 01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,640 press conference you know Steven Greer 1340 01:04:51,620 --> 01:04:49,200 and the disclosure project is another 1341 01:04:55,070 --> 01:04:51,630 example where government people stand 1342 01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:55,080 before and the press podium and start 1343 01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:57,660 talking about official stories official 1344 01:05:01,850 --> 01:04:59,880 documents official projects and so 1345 01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:01,860 that's what interests me the most so 1346 01:05:07,460 --> 01:05:04,380 when mr. Lewis Elizondo got up and 1347 01:05:10,250 --> 01:05:07,470 talked about this secret UFO study 1348 01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,260 within the Pentagon my ears went up 1349 01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:12,480 because that to me is something you can 1350 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:14,760 confirm and I was fascinated by the 1351 01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:17,490 story because as you know I've been on 1352 01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:19,020 your show before and have talked on 1353 01:05:23,540 --> 01:05:20,400 quite a few shows for quite a few years 1354 01:05:25,730 --> 01:05:23,550 now I disagree with that narrative that 1355 01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:25,740 the government gives that they did their 1356 01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:28,020 UFO investigation during Blue Book and 1357 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:31,680 after the close event in 1969 that was 1358 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:34,170 it now obviously we know that that isn't 1359 01:05:39,020 --> 01:05:36,690 true now because of a tip and they were 1360 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:39,030 looking into UFO stories but before a 1361 01:05:47,660 --> 01:05:42,890 tip was ever even created back you know 1362 01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:47,670 2009 ish before that ever happened I was 1363 01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:49,710 able to find documents that prove beyond 1364 01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:51,540 any shadow of a doubt that the 1365 01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,310 government was interested in you 1366 01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:55,440 and again talked about it on your show 1367 01:06:00,590 --> 01:05:58,380 with air force instruction 10 - 2 0 6 1368 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:00,600 and that's something that you know the 1369 01:06:05,810 --> 01:06:03,330 the air force admitted in black and 1370 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:05,820 white unidentified flying objects there 1371 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:07,770 was no other key word or code word or 1372 01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:11,610 phrase no UAP or no new acronym it was 1373 01:06:16,850 --> 01:06:13,650 literally unidentified flying object and 1374 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:16,860 so when this story broke and not only 1375 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:18,810 October but then really broke in 1376 01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:21,690 December the the media was just 1377 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:25,170 completely misrepresenting the the 1378 01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,930 history behind UFO research and saying 1379 01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:30,240 you know going back to that company line 1380 01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:33,900 that Project Blue Book was the end in 1381 01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:36,900 1969 and and the government had no 1382 01:06:42,110 --> 01:06:39,960 interest in UFOs until the start of a 1383 01:06:45,290 --> 01:06:42,120 tip and so when when the media really 1384 01:06:47,870 --> 01:06:45,300 started looking in my opinion kind of 1385 01:06:50,180 --> 01:06:47,880 silly reporting on this I felt that I 1386 01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:50,190 could do some good by really going after 1387 01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:54,480 the official documents and in October 1388 01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:57,240 going back to that press conference mr. 1389 01:07:02,990 --> 01:07:00,420 Elizondo had never said a tip or what 1390 01:07:05,570 --> 01:07:03,000 the acronym stood for at that time it 1391 01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:05,580 was just kind of this secret UFO study 1392 01:07:12,110 --> 01:07:08,460 so in October I had filed a Freedom of 1393 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:12,120 Information Act request typing out what 1394 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:14,610 mr. Elizondo had said about the program 1395 01:07:20,420 --> 01:07:17,250 who it was with which was the office of 1396 01:07:23,090 --> 01:07:20,430 Secretary of Defense I pretty much tried 1397 01:07:26,270 --> 01:07:23,100 to get whatever I could from his stand 1398 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:26,280 up testimony that he did in this press 1399 01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:27,810 conference and I filed a FOIA request 1400 01:07:34,820 --> 01:07:31,650 and I was at this point that was kind of 1401 01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:34,830 the only request that I could do until 1402 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:36,780 December just simply because there 1403 01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:39,810 wasn't a whole lot known about the 1404 01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:41,940 program at all it was just through OSD 1405 01:07:47,630 --> 01:07:44,940 there again office of the Secretary of 1406 01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:47,640 Defense and mr. Elizondo said that he 1407 01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:50,310 was the head of it it had researched 1408 01:07:55,940 --> 01:07:53,580 UFOs an unidentified phenomena an aerial 1409 01:07:57,350 --> 01:07:55,950 phenomena and that was kind of it we 1410 01:07:59,380 --> 01:07:57,360 didn't really have I know they they 1411 01:08:02,180 --> 01:07:59,390 talked about the Nimitz and showed that 1412 01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:02,190 video I believe in in October but but 1413 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:03,720 that was kind of it there was no other 1414 01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:06,450 context that we could get so I filed a 1415 01:08:10,310 --> 01:08:07,260 FOIA request 1416 01:08:11,710 --> 01:08:10,320 based on that and took about a 1417 01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:11,720 month-and-a-half 1418 01:08:16,849 --> 01:08:14,370 November 27th was the date of their 1419 01:08:19,999 --> 01:08:16,859 letter and they said that they had 1420 01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:20,009 absolutely no records on this UFO 1421 01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:22,710 program now let me now let me jump in 1422 01:08:28,670 --> 01:08:24,750 right there I'm looking at the letter 1423 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:28,680 here between okay I have I want some 1424 01:08:33,019 --> 01:08:31,650 clarification for the audience so the 1425 01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:33,029 first part of the question is this 1426 01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:36,480 between November 27th and going back to 1427 01:08:44,660 --> 01:08:39,660 October did you reach out to TTS a 1428 01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:44,670 number one and two are do you have a 1429 01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:48,150 relationship with TTS a today are you 1430 01:08:55,940 --> 01:08:52,859 working for TTS a or is there something 1431 01:08:59,599 --> 01:08:55,950 that needs to be disclosed here upfront 1432 01:09:01,700 --> 01:08:59,609 about any ongoing relationship with TTS 1433 01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:01,710 a so first part of the question did you 1434 01:09:06,140 --> 01:09:03,839 reach out to TTS a between October and 1435 01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:06,150 November 27th do you have a relationship 1436 01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:08,490 today do you represent them are you on 1437 01:09:14,329 --> 01:09:12,000 the payroll well I'll start from the the 1438 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:14,339 beginning part of that between October 1439 01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,410 and November no admittedly I did not 1440 01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:18,080 reach out to them but I didn't think 1441 01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,759 really that would help the story at all 1442 01:09:25,190 --> 01:09:22,500 because mr. Elizondo had kind of already 1443 01:09:28,579 --> 01:09:25,200 stated his side and then they published 1444 01:09:30,860 --> 01:09:28,589 the website now come November when I got 1445 01:09:34,340 --> 01:09:30,870 the no records response that's when me 1446 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:34,350 and my internal radar the red flag 1447 01:09:39,380 --> 01:09:36,170 started going up all over the place 1448 01:09:43,099 --> 01:09:39,390 simply because somebody at this point 1449 01:09:45,860 --> 01:09:43,109 was lying and I say that because mr. 1450 01:09:47,780 --> 01:09:45,870 Elizondo said I worked for OSD this is 1451 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:47,790 the program that I headed this is what 1452 01:09:53,500 --> 01:09:49,890 it did I turned around filed a FOIA 1453 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:53,510 request to OSD for that very project 1454 01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:56,250 asking for documentation on it and they 1455 01:10:02,270 --> 01:09:58,860 say nope we got nothing oh well my one 1456 01:10:04,580 --> 01:10:02,280 of is what the office of the secretary 1457 01:10:09,740 --> 01:10:04,590 of defense there you go okay oh right so 1458 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:09,750 they so the DoD is a very big agency so 1459 01:10:15,890 --> 01:10:13,530 you know encompassed in the DoD is OSD 1460 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:15,900 is dia or the Defense Intelligence 1461 01:10:20,350 --> 01:10:18,210 Agency is the Department of the Army Air 1462 01:10:22,150 --> 01:10:20,360 Army Air Force 1463 01:10:23,980 --> 01:10:22,160 they're all part of the department of 1464 01:10:26,710 --> 01:10:23,990 defense and so you can't just file a 1465 01:10:28,510 --> 01:10:26,720 FOIA request to one office and then they 1466 01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,520 search all of DoD that right that's 1467 01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:31,760 impossible but with mr. Elizondo saying 1468 01:10:37,330 --> 01:10:34,640 I worked for OSD I was able to hone in 1469 01:10:39,310 --> 01:10:37,340 on that particular office to file the 1470 01:10:44,110 --> 01:10:39,320 FOIA request to search those records 1471 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:44,120 within that component of OSD now going 1472 01:10:48,940 --> 01:10:45,770 back to your line of questioning no I do 1473 01:10:52,810 --> 01:10:48,950 not work with TPS AO nor do I work for 1474 01:10:55,540 --> 01:10:52,820 them no do I speak for them what I would 1475 01:10:58,360 --> 01:10:55,550 say up front is this I do not question 1476 01:11:03,070 --> 01:10:58,370 anybody's loyalty or honesty or 1477 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:03,080 patriotism or history or anything like 1478 01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:03,410 that 1479 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:06,230 and I mean no disrespect to not only mr. 1480 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:09,290 Elizondo or anybody at TSA but here's 1481 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:12,650 the issue somebody is not telling the 1482 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:15,890 truth the documents do not lie and what 1483 01:11:20,230 --> 01:11:17,690 I mean by that as we kind of continue to 1484 01:11:21,940 --> 01:11:20,240 talk these no records response has 1485 01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:21,950 really started to kind of come forward 1486 01:11:25,450 --> 01:11:23,140 in ways that they shouldn't have 1487 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:25,460 documents that should have existed based 1488 01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:27,410 on testimony weren't there and I know 1489 01:11:30,970 --> 01:11:28,640 we'll get into about in a lot more 1490 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:30,980 detail but I do want to say up front I'm 1491 01:11:36,580 --> 01:11:35,090 a fan of what T TSA is trying to do or 1492 01:11:38,710 --> 01:11:36,590 at least that's what I thought that they 1493 01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:38,720 were trying to do is bring all this 1494 01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:41,450 information out bring Mr Elizondo into 1495 01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:43,570 the spotlight this is what he did and 1496 01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:46,490 now all these red flags are going up for 1497 01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:49,280 me so since November I have reached out 1498 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:52,460 with T TSA on quite a few occasions I 1499 01:11:57,490 --> 01:11:55,970 have spoken with their PR person I'm 1500 01:11:59,410 --> 01:11:57,500 comfortable saying this now although 1501 01:12:01,810 --> 01:11:59,420 I've sat on this now for almost three 1502 01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,820 months and the reason I sat on it is 1503 01:12:06,910 --> 01:12:02,960 because I wanted to give them an 1504 01:12:09,190 --> 01:12:06,920 opportunity to fulfill what I asked and 1505 01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:09,200 what I asked was to sit down with mr. 1506 01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:12,280 Elizondo in whatever way he would do I 1507 01:12:17,730 --> 01:12:15,490 offered a recorded telephone 1508 01:12:20,230 --> 01:12:17,740 conversation a recorded video 1509 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:20,240 conversation via Skype or I use zoom 1510 01:12:25,630 --> 01:12:22,010 which is a even better 1511 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:25,640 but recorded online that I would do it 1512 01:12:30,610 --> 01:12:28,250 in writing meaning whenever he had time 1513 01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:30,620 if he was too busy whatever he would do 1514 01:12:33,959 --> 01:12:31,850 if he would sit down with me in person 1515 01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:33,969 I'd figure out how to fly there 1516 01:12:38,610 --> 01:12:36,040 like I'd said whatever he's open with 1517 01:12:42,260 --> 01:12:38,620 and I will say that their PR person was 1518 01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:42,270 very very nice they were you know very 1519 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:45,910 open to the idea but here we are three 1520 01:12:51,660 --> 01:12:48,130 months later and all I've heard is you 1521 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:51,670 know well I'm trying look you know maybe 1522 01:12:55,740 --> 01:12:54,610 it'll come to fruition in essence it's 1523 01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:55,750 been three months it's not going to 1524 01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:58,239 happen I know that I'm not a Tucker 1525 01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:02,080 Carlson at Fox News but sadly those big 1526 01:13:08,010 --> 01:13:05,110 names that are doing the the interviews 1527 01:13:10,380 --> 01:13:08,020 with him and or doing these stories like 1528 01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:10,390 Tucker Carlson at Fox News they're not 1529 01:13:14,610 --> 01:13:12,880 asking these types of questions and I'm 1530 01:13:17,340 --> 01:13:14,620 not trying to pin anybody into a corner 1531 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:17,350 but if he has the information to prove 1532 01:13:21,810 --> 01:13:20,170 that the government is lying I believe 1533 01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:21,820 that that fits into the narrative of 1534 01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,310 what they're trying to do and that is 1535 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:26,320 that the government is hiding stuff and 1536 01:13:31,020 --> 01:13:28,330 on top of that they're not taking this 1537 01:13:33,150 --> 01:13:31,030 seriously and that has been my biggest 1538 01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:33,160 red flag more than anything else is 1539 01:13:38,130 --> 01:13:36,070 because these types of issues these 1540 01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,140 questions because they're just questions 1541 01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:40,480 or not accusations but these questions 1542 01:13:45,390 --> 01:13:43,150 remain unanswered and I told the PR 1543 01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:45,400 person that at PTSA and that's why I 1544 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:46,480 want to bring it up kind of in the 1545 01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:48,250 forefront of our conversation here is 1546 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:50,800 that I'm not out there preaching to the 1547 01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:52,570 heavens that anybody's lying or not 1548 01:13:56,370 --> 01:13:54,310 telling the truth 1549 01:13:59,310 --> 01:13:56,380 and especially I'm not saying that 1550 01:14:03,689 --> 01:13:59,320 without talking to them I have tried and 1551 01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:03,699 tried for months now to to get him on 1552 01:14:07,890 --> 01:14:05,710 the phone because I would love to sit 1553 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:07,900 down with them he seems like a great guy 1554 01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:10,810 he seems genuine I have no reason to 1555 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:15,310 doubt his his integrity and that's not 1556 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:16,210 what I'm doing 1557 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:19,810 but as our conversation here will unfold 1558 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:21,730 Jimmy you'll kind of see that there's a 1559 01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:23,530 lot of denials from the government 1560 01:14:29,010 --> 01:14:27,040 through multiple agencies and in my mind 1561 01:14:32,670 --> 01:14:29,020 based on mr. elizondo's testimony 1562 01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:32,680 documents should be there and so if this 1563 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:36,940 is a cover-up in 21 22 years I have 1564 01:14:41,729 --> 01:14:40,330 never seen such a massive concerted 1565 01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:41,739 effort that stretched throughout 1566 01:14:47,630 --> 01:14:46,630 multiple agencies all to deny a project 1567 01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:47,640 like this 1568 01:14:51,230 --> 01:14:49,260 I mean I've never seen it at this level 1569 01:14:53,450 --> 01:14:51,240 if that's really what this comes down to 1570 01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:53,460 and and I think that that's saying 1571 01:14:59,810 --> 01:14:56,820 something also we wanted to address some 1572 01:15:01,610 --> 01:14:59,820 of this stuff I mean the page that I put 1573 01:15:05,930 --> 01:15:01,620 up there that you pointed everybody to 1574 01:15:08,900 --> 01:15:05,940 the blackboard comm /t TSA even though 1575 01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:08,910 my personal tone is skepticism on the 1576 01:15:14,180 --> 01:15:11,840 magnitude of a tip if it comes out that 1577 01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,190 OSD is lying and all these agencies are 1578 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:16,800 lying all I got to do is change one 1579 01:15:22,610 --> 01:15:19,650 paragraph and this will be one of the 1580 01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:22,620 best resources to prove that cover-up 1581 01:15:26,030 --> 01:15:25,080 slash conspiracy about a tip whether or 1582 01:15:27,740 --> 01:15:26,040 not that's true or not 1583 01:15:29,780 --> 01:15:27,750 I personally lean that that is not the 1584 01:15:32,420 --> 01:15:29,790 way that this is going to unfold but if 1585 01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:32,430 it does all of the evidence is there and 1586 01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:33,810 that's what I'm trying to do is is 1587 01:15:39,310 --> 01:15:36,060 collect the actual evidence now with 1588 01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:39,320 this let's actually start with this 1589 01:15:47,660 --> 01:15:46,080 November 27th response and now the 1590 01:15:50,090 --> 01:15:47,670 highlight is it says after thorough 1591 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:50,100 searches of all electronic records and 1592 01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:53,250 files of oh you SDI no records of the 1593 01:15:58,670 --> 01:15:56,330 kind you described could be identified 1594 01:16:02,450 --> 01:15:58,680 and then they go on you know with the 1595 01:16:05,930 --> 01:16:02,460 you know the boilerplate stuff but what 1596 01:16:09,620 --> 01:16:05,940 was it that you requested to get this 1597 01:16:11,150 --> 01:16:09,630 response yep so and and I'm glad you 1598 01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:11,160 brought this up because this is a lot of 1599 01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:14,580 criticism that I get and I want to kind 1600 01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:17,310 of dispel a myth what I requested was 1601 01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,590 for the following I respectfully request 1602 01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:21,600 a copy of records electronic or 1603 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:24,540 otherwise of the following all documents 1604 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:26,730 pertaining to the outline the mission 1605 01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:30,330 statements objectives etc of the DoD 1606 01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:33,420 aerospace threat program now I'm going 1607 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:35,490 to interject on my quote here the reason 1608 01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:37,530 that's worded that way is the true 1609 01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:40,440 acronym of a tip was never announced 1610 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:44,370 until December right okay but this is my 1611 01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:48,210 next part of my request please note this 1612 01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:51,420 may not be the exact title but is 1613 01:16:57,710 --> 01:16:53,940 derived from the testimony of mr. Lewis 1614 01:16:59,690 --> 01:16:57,720 Elizondo former DoD employee according 1615 01:17:01,530 --> 01:16:59,700 to The Huffington Post as posted here 1616 01:17:04,710 --> 01:17:01,540 and then I put in the verbatim 1617 01:17:07,260 --> 01:17:04,720 quotes from the media and the quotes 1618 01:17:10,350 --> 01:17:07,270 from mr. Elizondo that pertained to 1619 01:17:12,690 --> 01:17:10,360 describing what this program is now why 1620 01:17:15,780 --> 01:17:12,700 do I point that out because if I just 1621 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:15,790 left it at DoD aerospace threat program 1622 01:17:21,930 --> 01:17:18,610 which is how mr. Elizondo and T TSA 1623 01:17:24,090 --> 01:17:21,940 talked about it in October they have an 1624 01:17:25,260 --> 01:17:24,100 out and if this goes back to the 1625 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:25,270 beginning of your show Jimmy when you 1626 01:17:29,850 --> 01:17:27,010 ask me you know how do you formulate 1627 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:29,860 questions if you're too specific then it 1628 01:17:33,780 --> 01:17:31,930 can come back and bite you so if I 1629 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:33,790 didn't put that please note this may not 1630 01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:35,890 be the exact title that's where I 1631 01:17:40,590 --> 01:17:38,620 believe my safety net is to say to the 1632 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:40,600 to the agency hey look this you 1633 01:17:44,730 --> 01:17:42,250 obviously know what this is about right 1634 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:44,740 you know I mean this is mainstream news 1635 01:17:48,900 --> 01:17:46,810 at this point you know they got a lot of 1636 01:17:51,690 --> 01:17:48,910 press coverage even in October there was 1637 01:17:54,660 --> 01:17:51,700 quite a bit so the spotlight was 1638 01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:54,670 definitely on for them to know what was 1639 01:17:59,670 --> 01:17:57,520 going on in the media and what people 1640 01:18:03,120 --> 01:17:59,680 were asking and what I was asking for 1641 01:18:05,190 --> 01:18:03,130 and yet they said we have no records now 1642 01:18:07,950 --> 01:18:05,200 I have since appealed that and I 1643 01:18:10,110 --> 01:18:07,960 appealed it based on a couple different 1644 01:18:12,050 --> 01:18:10,120 factors obviously the name so if they 1645 01:18:15,690 --> 01:18:12,060 are trying to play semantics with me 1646 01:18:17,010 --> 01:18:15,700 okay they have the the the name now I'm 1647 01:18:19,190 --> 01:18:17,020 still waiting on the answer to that 1648 01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:19,200 appeal but but that's being processed 1649 01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:22,930 but it just to me did not sit well as 1650 01:18:28,830 --> 01:18:26,080 the beginning FOIA request that I 1651 01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:28,840 received because again I was vague 1652 01:18:33,060 --> 01:18:31,510 enough and open enough with them to say 1653 01:18:36,150 --> 01:18:33,070 look this is the person we're talking 1654 01:18:38,750 --> 01:18:36,160 about if he headed the project it would 1655 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:38,760 probably be fairly easy for them to find 1656 01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:42,490 where mr. Elizondo was working and where 1657 01:18:48,450 --> 01:18:46,210 that project was again me noting that I 1658 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:48,460 didn't have the exact name or probably 1659 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:50,770 wasn't the exact name and yet they still 1660 01:18:56,190 --> 01:18:54,130 were giving a no records response so 1661 01:18:58,560 --> 01:18:56,200 could they be lying on this absolutely 1662 01:19:02,130 --> 01:18:58,570 meaning the DoD or OSD could they be 1663 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:02,140 lying absolutely I just it didn't fit 1664 01:19:06,990 --> 01:19:04,090 right from the get-go and that's what 1665 01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:07,000 started me kind of really sitting down 1666 01:19:14,139 --> 01:19:09,600 and digging in and going after records 1667 01:19:17,409 --> 01:19:14,149 now the revelation 1668 01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:17,419 the actual well what was purported to be 1669 01:19:24,399 --> 01:19:22,249 the name of a tip and of course what is 1670 01:19:27,069 --> 01:19:24,409 in question here is the word Aerospace 1671 01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:27,079 is at aerospace is at aviation or 1672 01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:28,729 something else altogether by the way 1673 01:19:39,489 --> 01:19:35,449 yeah so that was the next step here when 1674 01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:39,499 was the first time you had heard either 1675 01:19:46,029 --> 01:19:44,449 acronym well then that's when just the 1676 01:19:49,599 --> 01:19:46,039 story broke in mid-december 1677 01:19:52,839 --> 01:19:49,609 this is when the media just exploded 1678 01:19:54,579 --> 01:19:52,849 with the New York Times article really 1679 01:19:58,809 --> 01:19:54,589 was the spearhead to that and then the 1680 01:20:01,119 --> 01:19:58,819 media around the globe blew up profiling 1681 01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:01,129 not only T TSA but more so this what 1682 01:20:07,149 --> 01:20:03,289 they called the secret Pentagon UFO 1683 01:20:09,459 --> 01:20:07,159 study and from the get-go there that's 1684 01:20:13,059 --> 01:20:09,469 when I realized okay let's let's try and 1685 01:20:15,609 --> 01:20:13,069 figure out you know what what really is 1686 01:20:18,369 --> 01:20:15,619 here and in line number one I have 1687 01:20:21,099 --> 01:20:18,379 nothing nothing nothing against Leslie 1688 01:20:22,929 --> 01:20:21,109 Kane I'm a fan of hers Absalom I know 1689 01:20:26,109 --> 01:20:22,939 she she wrote she wrote that article 1690 01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:26,119 she's done amazing work but in line 1691 01:20:31,599 --> 01:20:28,489 number one they called it the advanced 1692 01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:31,609 aerospace threat identification program 1693 01:20:37,389 --> 01:20:35,510 now with FOIA as anybody can can attest 1694 01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:37,399 to that's used it and and I've talked 1695 01:20:41,229 --> 01:20:38,329 about it a lot 1696 01:20:43,029 --> 01:20:41,239 you wait and you need to learn patience 1697 01:20:46,089 --> 01:20:43,039 if you're going to learn the FOIA and 1698 01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:46,099 use it because on a quick side note I 1699 01:20:51,609 --> 01:20:48,530 waited over fourteen and a half years 1700 01:20:53,229 --> 01:20:51,619 for one document to come now really 1701 01:20:55,119 --> 01:20:53,239 think about that fourteen and a half 1702 01:20:58,059 --> 01:20:55,129 years that's almost a decade and a half 1703 01:21:00,219 --> 01:20:58,069 I literally waited for one agency to 1704 01:21:02,529 --> 01:21:00,229 give me one document so that's a long 1705 01:21:04,869 --> 01:21:02,539 time now not every agency's like that 1706 01:21:07,359 --> 01:21:04,879 but and that doesn't happen too often 1707 01:21:10,389 --> 01:21:07,369 but you do wait months and months or 1708 01:21:12,879 --> 01:21:10,399 years at a time for a response so 1709 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:12,889 towards towards the end of December I 1710 01:21:16,359 --> 01:21:15,050 just picked up the telephone and going 1711 01:21:18,459 --> 01:21:16,369 to your question about creating 1712 01:21:21,219 --> 01:21:18,469 relationships a lot of these names I've 1713 01:21:23,020 --> 01:21:21,229 seen for years signing my letters I've 1714 01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:23,030 talked to them on the telephone there's 1715 01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:26,930 a mutual I hope anyway a mutual respect 1716 01:21:31,900 --> 01:21:28,880 between both sides that you know I'm 1717 01:21:33,970 --> 01:21:31,910 doing and utilizing the FOIA and they're 1718 01:21:36,130 --> 01:21:33,980 doing the hard work of being a FOIA 1719 01:21:37,930 --> 01:21:36,140 officer and I've always respected that 1720 01:21:40,330 --> 01:21:37,940 and so I just picked up the telephone 1721 01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,340 and I started talking to the FOIA 1722 01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:42,800 officers about these specific requests 1723 01:21:47,860 --> 01:21:46,370 I talked to OSD again very very nice 1724 01:21:50,500 --> 01:21:47,870 they were not trying to get me off the 1725 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:50,510 phone and quite up to the contrary they 1726 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:54,170 were trying to help and and I will say 1727 01:21:57,310 --> 01:21:55,610 this because it'll probably would be a 1728 01:21:59,890 --> 01:21:57,320 matter of public record because I was 1729 01:22:01,720 --> 01:21:59,900 talking to a government agency but when 1730 01:22:03,810 --> 01:22:01,730 I was talking about well you know mr. 1731 01:22:05,980 --> 01:22:03,820 Lewis Elizondo said this and said that 1732 01:22:07,420 --> 01:22:05,990 they told me over the telephone that 1733 01:22:09,460 --> 01:22:07,430 they couldn't even figure out what 1734 01:22:12,190 --> 01:22:09,470 office he worked in you know this is the 1735 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:12,200 FOIA office that told me that and now I 1736 01:22:18,340 --> 01:22:15,530 had at this point not known the exact 1737 01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:18,350 office that he worked in I have since 1738 01:22:23,980 --> 01:22:21,380 figured that part out within the office 1739 01:22:25,690 --> 01:22:23,990 of Secretary of Defense or OSD so I 1740 01:22:27,190 --> 01:22:25,700 didn't know where he worked and so I 1741 01:22:30,340 --> 01:22:27,200 couldn't tell them well he worked here 1742 01:22:33,130 --> 01:22:30,350 he worked there DoD is big enough as 1743 01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:33,140 I've already mentioned OSD actually has 1744 01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:37,310 13 components under OSD so that also is 1745 01:22:43,150 --> 01:22:41,120 incredibly large so you really have to 1746 01:22:43,810 --> 01:22:43,160 figure out what you're going for and 1747 01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:43,820 where it might be 1748 01:22:50,170 --> 01:22:47,570 and so to teetee essays credit there PR 1749 01:22:52,690 --> 01:22:50,180 person did tell me exactly where mr. 1750 01:22:54,970 --> 01:22:52,700 Elizondo worked and I used that in part 1751 01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:54,980 of my appeal but my whole point is is 1752 01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,690 that I picked up the telephone and 1753 01:23:03,910 --> 01:22:59,360 called I also then called not only the 1754 01:23:08,260 --> 01:23:03,920 FOIA office at OSD but the PR office the 1755 01:23:11,170 --> 01:23:08,270 public relations office at the DoD which 1756 01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:11,180 handles OSD within the Pentagon I know 1757 01:23:14,350 --> 01:23:12,650 there's a lot of acronyms here and I'm 1758 01:23:16,750 --> 01:23:14,360 trying not to be too confusing but in 1759 01:23:20,230 --> 01:23:16,760 essence this was the PR office that you 1760 01:23:22,510 --> 01:23:20,240 pretty much the press goes after to get 1761 01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:22,520 answers on whatever the topic of the day 1762 01:23:27,610 --> 01:23:25,040 is and talk to the lady on the telephone 1763 01:23:29,710 --> 01:23:27,620 and I asked her about the advanced 1764 01:23:31,810 --> 01:23:29,720 aerospace threat identification program 1765 01:23:34,740 --> 01:23:31,820 she immediately corrected me and she 1766 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:34,750 says no no you mean advanced aviation 1767 01:23:40,300 --> 01:23:37,930 thread ID program and I said as well 1768 01:23:40,690 --> 01:23:40,310 okay I said I'm not going to fight you 1769 01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:40,700 you know 1770 01:23:44,650 --> 01:23:42,800 more than me but I said the media is 1771 01:23:47,530 --> 01:23:44,660 running aerospace and she says now she 1772 01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:47,540 says that's wrong it's aviation and so I 1773 01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:49,520 was told in December that that acronym 1774 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:53,360 was wrong now going back to it let me 1775 01:24:00,190 --> 01:23:55,730 jump in let me jump in clarification 1776 01:24:03,970 --> 01:24:00,200 here who were you speaking to this was a 1777 01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:03,980 member of the PR staff within OSD okay 1778 01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:05,930 so so you don't want to save their name 1779 01:24:11,050 --> 01:24:08,750 that's fine on this one no but I'll tell 1780 01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:11,060 you the name I know where you're going 1781 01:24:14,860 --> 01:24:13,250 with it and it wasn't her this but this 1782 01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:14,870 was another person I talked to within 1783 01:24:19,330 --> 01:24:18,050 within the the office and just out of 1784 01:24:22,450 --> 01:24:19,340 respect I mean I just don't want to like 1785 01:24:24,220 --> 01:24:22,460 put the spotlight on somebody because it 1786 01:24:27,190 --> 01:24:24,230 wasn't in writing but I can tell you 1787 01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,200 that but it did you know happen over the 1788 01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:29,600 telephone right where they told me the 1789 01:24:34,410 --> 01:24:32,690 the word was aviation and that obviously 1790 01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:34,420 has been the root of a lot of 1791 01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:39,050 controversy that the PR office told me 1792 01:24:44,290 --> 01:24:41,840 that over the telephone so after the 1793 01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:44,300 debate kind of commenced throughout the 1794 01:24:50,290 --> 01:24:47,060 whole UFO community and even in 1795 01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:50,300 interviews mr. Elizondo says aerospace I 1796 01:24:56,980 --> 01:24:53,510 went back to the PR office a few weeks 1797 01:24:59,650 --> 01:24:56,990 ago and and I will say I talked to two 1798 01:25:01,540 --> 01:24:59,660 major Audria Harris who is the head of 1799 01:25:03,580 --> 01:25:01,550 the department and the reason why I'm 1800 01:25:05,710 --> 01:25:03,590 comfortable saying her name is not only 1801 01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:05,720 she's the head she was very sweet on the 1802 01:25:10,570 --> 01:25:07,760 telephone but she also put put it in 1803 01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:10,580 writing for me that it was not aerospace 1804 01:25:15,940 --> 01:25:13,910 that it is aviation so it sounds like 1805 01:25:18,100 --> 01:25:15,950 we're playing semantics and it probably 1806 01:25:20,230 --> 01:25:18,110 comes off that way but it's very very 1807 01:25:22,630 --> 01:25:20,240 important especially in line number one 1808 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:22,640 of the breaking story on this to get it 1809 01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:25,130 right it's also very important for and 1810 01:25:29,230 --> 01:25:27,110 again I'm not questioning integrity here 1811 01:25:31,570 --> 01:25:29,240 but it's important for the head of the 1812 01:25:34,450 --> 01:25:31,580 project to know the project he's heading 1813 01:25:37,810 --> 01:25:34,460 and in interviews he says aerospace also 1814 01:25:39,940 --> 01:25:37,820 so who is wrong right somebody's wrong 1815 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:39,950 I'm not going to be all let I'll let the 1816 01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:41,930 audience decide right but I will say 1817 01:25:45,460 --> 01:25:43,520 this and this is going to come off as 1818 01:25:47,410 --> 01:25:45,470 rude and I don't mean it to but there's 1819 01:25:49,660 --> 01:25:47,420 no matter the two sides here one is 1820 01:25:52,630 --> 01:25:49,670 wrong and what is right there's only one 1821 01:25:54,510 --> 01:25:52,640 side that's returning my calls and and I 1822 01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:54,520 think that and I think that that's an 1823 01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:56,170 know that it's the government that 1824 01:25:59,400 --> 01:25:57,760 that's actually I can't believe I'm 1825 01:26:01,260 --> 01:25:59,410 saying this but they're being the most 1826 01:26:04,260 --> 01:26:01,270 transparent out of her to anybody right 1827 01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:04,270 now in this debate and there what about 1828 01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:07,030 the New York Times do they bear some 1829 01:26:15,210 --> 01:26:10,480 responsibility here because they did go 1830 01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:15,220 to print with aerospace did they and you 1831 01:26:19,470 --> 01:26:17,050 know Leslie Kane where she got her 1832 01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:19,480 information from and I trust Leslie and 1833 01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:22,210 and we all you know a lot of work but 1834 01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:26,430 there was a mistake made or was it that 1835 01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:29,650 the New York Times was able to confirm 1836 01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,690 aerospace before running with the story 1837 01:26:36,350 --> 01:26:34,000 they vet all of their information so 1838 01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:36,360 what where do we cook with that part I 1839 01:26:43,050 --> 01:26:40,570 will let me give a quick example of my 1840 01:26:44,490 --> 01:26:43,060 work in television and I'm not going off 1841 01:26:46,530 --> 01:26:44,500 on a tangent here but I bring this up 1842 01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:46,540 because I think it's important I did a 1843 01:26:51,180 --> 01:26:49,120 show on Hitler and the occult for the 1844 01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:51,190 National Geographic Channel yes it 1845 01:26:54,570 --> 01:26:52,690 sounds like a left field comment but 1846 01:26:55,890 --> 01:26:54,580 there's a point to this and with the 1847 01:26:58,890 --> 01:26:55,900 National Geographic Channel when you 1848 01:27:00,960 --> 01:26:58,900 produce and write a show you National 1849 01:27:02,340 --> 01:27:00,970 Geographic Channel in my opinion more so 1850 01:27:05,100 --> 01:27:02,350 than any other network that I worked for 1851 01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:05,110 wanted every single word in line that we 1852 01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:07,630 had sourced and we had to find sources 1853 01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:10,360 and in most cases double sources I don't 1854 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:12,550 know how the New York Times works but in 1855 01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:15,130 my opinion it all depends then on the 1856 01:27:17,850 --> 01:27:16,810 scrutiny of New York Times and I bring 1857 01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:17,860 up the National Geographic Channel 1858 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:20,200 because they would not take somebody's 1859 01:27:26,220 --> 01:27:23,770 word for it and I think that into 1860 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:26,230 Leslie's defense to the New York Times 1861 01:27:31,290 --> 01:27:29,290 defense ID again I don't know if this is 1862 01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,300 how it played out or not but my 1863 01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:33,520 experience with network fact-checking 1864 01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:35,770 for television and I'm sure the same is 1865 01:27:40,350 --> 01:27:38,050 true for print you have guidelines on 1866 01:27:42,450 --> 01:27:40,360 what's acceptable and what's not and in 1867 01:27:44,940 --> 01:27:42,460 my opinion for print journalism they 1868 01:27:47,460 --> 01:27:44,950 probably just accepted a word of 1869 01:27:50,340 --> 01:27:47,470 somebody who said I worked for the 1870 01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:50,350 program and this was the name of it and 1871 01:27:53,550 --> 01:27:51,970 in which in this case would be mr. 1872 01:27:57,570 --> 01:27:53,560 Elizondo so that could have been their 1873 01:28:00,000 --> 01:27:57,580 source that they verified aerospace with 1874 01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:00,010 mr. Elizondo because as far as I know 1875 01:28:07,959 --> 01:28:04,090 there is no official document yet that 1876 01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:07,969 has been released on a tip 1877 01:28:12,729 --> 01:28:10,400 I from what I understand and major 1878 01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:12,739 Harris was very accommodating to my 1879 01:28:17,950 --> 01:28:14,960 questions when I asked her about the 1880 01:28:20,140 --> 01:28:17,960 title and so on she put that in writing 1881 01:28:22,750 --> 01:28:20,150 and sent that to me which in essence 1882 01:28:25,419 --> 01:28:22,760 puts that as a an official document it 1883 01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:25,429 really in essence does because it's her 1884 01:28:30,759 --> 01:28:27,679 government email to to mine and it 1885 01:28:33,459 --> 01:28:30,769 becomes a government record and and so 1886 01:28:35,890 --> 01:28:33,469 with that being said there's really no 1887 01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:35,900 reason to doubt now that it's aviation 1888 01:28:38,830 --> 01:28:37,130 and again 1889 01:28:41,379 --> 01:28:38,840 sounds like semantics but it's very 1890 01:28:43,660 --> 01:28:41,389 important that word has very different 1891 01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:43,670 meanings if you say aerospace or 1892 01:28:48,969 --> 01:28:45,679 aviation and it kind of changes the 1893 01:28:52,540 --> 01:28:48,979 scope of the project yeah what is one is 1894 01:28:56,109 --> 01:28:52,550 the Wright brothers and one is Apollo 1895 01:28:58,089 --> 01:28:56,119 okay so let's it's two totally different 1896 01:29:00,850 --> 01:28:58,099 things John listen I got to take a break 1897 01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:00,860 right here so let's do that we come back 1898 01:29:05,049 --> 01:29:02,329 and we'll just pick up right where we 1899 01:29:07,390 --> 01:29:05,059 left off there's a lot to discuss and I 1900 01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:07,400 had mentioned earlier John about all 1901 01:29:11,890 --> 01:29:09,260 documents you know everything should be 1902 01:29:14,529 --> 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1971 01:32:37,850 --> 01:33:15,270 [Music] 1972 01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:18,290 all right welcome back fade to black 1973 01:33:26,850 --> 01:33:21,120 yeah man's going down tonight John 1974 01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:26,860 Greenwald man man man I'm the game 1975 01:33:31,650 --> 01:33:29,920 changer networked in kgr a the planet 1976 01:33:33,300 --> 01:33:31,660 you can follow me on Twitter I teacher 1977 01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:33,310 tried it and you can follow John at 1978 01:33:39,660 --> 01:33:37,600 black vault comm on Twitter now John 1979 01:33:42,300 --> 01:33:39,670 continuing the discussion I'm gonna ask 1980 01:33:46,770 --> 01:33:42,310 one obvious question and I hope I don't 1981 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:46,780 sound too naive here but shouldn't there 1982 01:33:57,950 --> 01:33:53,050 be at least one document or email that 1983 01:34:04,170 --> 01:33:57,960 has a tip aerospace aviation and louie's 1984 01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:04,180 Elizondo all on one page yes and but 1985 01:34:09,210 --> 01:34:06,970 I'll defend the fact that we have not 1986 01:34:12,900 --> 01:34:09,220 seen that yet and the reason why I'm 1987 01:34:17,220 --> 01:34:12,910 gonna defend it is that according to now 1988 01:34:19,770 --> 01:34:17,230 OSD they are referring all FOIA requests 1989 01:34:23,420 --> 01:34:19,780 regarding a tip to the Defense 1990 01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:23,430 Intelligence Agency now I personally 1991 01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:27,760 argue the fact that all documents would 1992 01:34:35,490 --> 01:34:33,730 be at DIA and I and again I'm gonna try 1993 01:34:39,420 --> 01:34:35,500 them not make the acronyms confusing but 1994 01:34:43,020 --> 01:34:39,430 I would fight that DIA would have 100% 1995 01:34:45,810 --> 01:34:43,030 about a tip based solely on the 1996 01:34:47,070 --> 01:34:45,820 testimony that mr. Elizondo said he 1997 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:47,080 worked at OSD 1998 01:34:54,810 --> 01:34:52,330 so if you're in one office your OSD you 1999 01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:54,820 know desk there is something that's 2000 01:35:00,480 --> 01:34:57,280 going to be at OSD that should be 2001 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:00,490 processed there under the FOIA I hope 2002 01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:02,650 that part makes sense because if 2003 01:35:07,770 --> 01:35:05,410 everything was at DIA then mr. Elizondo 2004 01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:07,780 would be working for DIA you know what I 2005 01:35:12,570 --> 01:35:10,000 mean like that that's the part that 2006 01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:12,580 doesn't make sense to me and and and I 2007 01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:14,770 am fighting you know respectfully 2008 01:35:18,930 --> 01:35:16,810 fighting with the office of the 2009 01:35:21,450 --> 01:35:18,940 Secretary of Defense under the FOIA with 2010 01:35:24,690 --> 01:35:21,460 my Appeals based on the fact that mr. 2011 01:35:28,250 --> 01:35:24,700 Elizondo said I worked in that office so 2012 01:35:32,330 --> 01:35:28,260 there's no way that 100% 2013 01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:32,340 everything would be dia if it is then 2014 01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:33,810 we're definitely missing something of 2015 01:35:40,130 --> 01:35:36,540 the story a big chunk because there's no 2016 01:35:43,550 --> 01:35:40,140 reason that the head of the project if 2017 01:35:46,130 --> 01:35:43,560 it really was dia would be within OSD 2018 01:35:49,070 --> 01:35:46,140 and yet OSD is saying no we have nothing 2019 01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:49,080 it's all a dia something there just 2020 01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:51,330 doesn't make make sense at all 2021 01:36:00,910 --> 01:35:57,050 why doesn't I is there an issue with 2022 01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:00,920 Elizondo just producing some benign 2023 01:36:05,990 --> 01:36:03,570 documents that don't say anything you 2024 01:36:08,540 --> 01:36:06,000 know it's nothing classified in it but 2025 01:36:12,050 --> 01:36:08,550 it's a letterhead with his letter for 2026 01:36:14,380 --> 01:36:12,060 the for the annual barbecue of a tip 2027 01:36:17,710 --> 01:36:14,390 getting together at a park you know 2028 01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:17,720 something what what is preventing that 2029 01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:21,570 well that's a great question and I don't 2030 01:36:25,670 --> 01:36:23,730 know the answer and that's where my red 2031 01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:25,680 flags come up and my respectful 2032 01:36:31,190 --> 01:36:28,560 criticism against mr. Elizondo is the 2033 01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:31,200 strongest and and if you listen to an 2034 01:36:37,010 --> 01:36:34,020 interview by Senator Harry Reid he said 2035 01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:37,020 that there are quote unquote hundreds of 2036 01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:39,600 documents that the media could look at 2037 01:36:43,820 --> 01:36:41,070 because he doesn't believe the majority 2038 01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:43,830 of them are classified but the media has 2039 01:36:48,110 --> 01:36:46,050 never gone in and looked at him now what 2040 01:36:51,650 --> 01:36:48,120 the heck does he mean by that because I 2041 01:36:54,830 --> 01:36:51,660 can't find anything now again dia 2042 01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:54,840 if they are the home where my defense 2043 01:36:59,060 --> 01:36:57,090 comes in on why we haven't seen anything 2044 01:37:04,550 --> 01:36:59,070 yet is the Defense Intelligence Agency 2045 01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:04,560 is about 2,000 to 2,300 FOIA cases 2046 01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:08,130 behind in their backlog so it's not that 2047 01:37:13,190 --> 01:37:10,770 they say that there's nothing there they 2048 01:37:16,190 --> 01:37:13,200 haven't gotten to our requests yet and I 2049 01:37:20,180 --> 01:37:16,200 am fighting a very strong battle to get 2050 01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:20,190 them to expedite my request to get that 2051 01:37:26,180 --> 01:37:22,650 information because at this point that's 2052 01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:26,190 where all of the a tip documents are now 2053 01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,060 back to your question why hasn't mr. 2054 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:32,880 Elizondo come out with anything and I 2055 01:37:37,340 --> 01:37:35,010 don't know the answer to that and that 2056 01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:37,350 that leads into again my biggest 2057 01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:38,880 criticism because there should be 2058 01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:39,570 something 2059 01:37:44,510 --> 01:37:42,570 they also say meaning T TSA 2060 01:37:47,450 --> 01:37:44,520 references what they call a chain of 2061 01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:47,460 custody to the declassification of these 2062 01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:50,250 videos and that that's their proof that 2063 01:37:56,930 --> 01:37:54,000 they're real now I could be wrong and I 2064 01:38:00,170 --> 01:37:56,940 will say this 100% honesty I could be 2065 01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:00,180 wrong but I have never in a single case 2066 01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:03,450 ever in top-secret documents videos 2067 01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:06,450 photographs or anything under the FOIA 2068 01:38:12,350 --> 01:38:10,050 come across a chain of custody when it 2069 01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:12,360 comes to a document being declassified 2070 01:38:17,420 --> 01:38:14,490 whether it be a video or a photograph or 2071 01:38:19,670 --> 01:38:17,430 document in my opinion there is no such 2072 01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:19,680 thing there are document transmittal 2073 01:38:24,430 --> 01:38:22,410 slips their routing slips if one agency 2074 01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:24,440 passes a top-secret record to another 2075 01:38:29,150 --> 01:38:27,360 there's a there's slips on top that have 2076 01:38:32,780 --> 01:38:29,160 signatures and where it passes off to 2077 01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:32,790 sure if that's what they mean okay but 2078 01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:34,530 when they are talking about a chain of 2079 01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:36,510 custody that proves that the document is 2080 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:38,490 Declassified in this case the document 2081 01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:41,610 meaning the videos I just I don't know 2082 01:38:45,860 --> 01:38:43,920 what they mean by that and so I've put 2083 01:38:47,480 --> 01:38:45,870 the challenge out to anybody who has 2084 01:38:52,730 --> 01:38:47,490 fought me and there's been quite a few 2085 01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:52,740 online I just say point me to one quote 2086 01:38:59,060 --> 01:38:55,610 unquote chain of custody document on any 2087 01:39:00,380 --> 01:38:59,070 classified anything like anything that 2088 01:39:01,670 --> 01:39:00,390 used to be classified that that is 2089 01:39:04,130 --> 01:39:01,680 declassified and they have a chain of 2090 01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:04,140 custody document on top of it 2091 01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,170 that shows that it's Declassified I'll 2092 01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:08,880 stand corrected I'll come back on your 2093 01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:11,130 show and plead that hey I really am 2094 01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:13,890 wrong but I don't I don't know of any 2095 01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:15,600 and and nobody has been able to produce 2096 01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:18,330 that well crickets usually commence 2097 01:39:22,810 --> 01:39:20,250 after that and what would be really cool 2098 01:39:26,150 --> 01:39:22,820 which would help you and other FOIA 2099 01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:26,160 requesters if there was a chain of 2100 01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:29,760 custody form there would be a form 2101 01:39:34,820 --> 01:39:32,250 number and you would be able to request 2102 01:39:37,220 --> 01:39:34,830 that form number and tie that to a 2103 01:39:41,330 --> 01:39:37,230 specific situation that would make life 2104 01:39:45,050 --> 01:39:41,340 easy right and and actually to that note 2105 01:39:46,820 --> 01:39:45,060 in an interview after a couple months I 2106 01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:46,830 believe this is going back maybe six to 2107 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:48,570 eight weeks now so the story had been 2108 01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:49,850 around for a little bit 2109 01:39:54,620 --> 01:39:52,560 mr. Elizondo was doing an interview he 2110 01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,630 he had said that he filed what's called 2111 01:40:01,250 --> 01:39:56,960 a DD Form 2112 01:40:04,810 --> 01:40:01,260 19:10 and what that is is in essence a 2113 01:40:07,730 --> 01:40:04,820 request for someone to get something 2114 01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:07,740 Declassified from the inside now as a 2115 01:40:11,870 --> 01:40:09,600 civilian non-military and I'm not 2116 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:11,880 government I would file what's called a 2117 01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:14,970 mandatory declassification review you me 2118 01:40:21,020 --> 01:40:17,040 and everybody listening can file one of 2119 01:40:23,180 --> 01:40:21,030 those but a DD Form 1910 is according to 2120 01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:23,190 mr. Elizondo how he got these videos 2121 01:40:29,230 --> 01:40:25,980 Declassified so I have since filed FOIA 2122 01:40:33,410 --> 01:40:29,240 requests for those forms that he filed 2123 01:40:35,690 --> 01:40:33,420 to this date I do not have a response on 2124 01:40:39,020 --> 01:40:35,700 that yet but there's a big question mark 2125 01:40:40,910 --> 01:40:39,030 on who released the videos now since 2126 01:40:42,710 --> 01:40:40,920 this is in writing I haven't published 2127 01:40:44,780 --> 01:40:42,720 this yet but I'll say it on your show 2128 01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:44,790 when I talk to major Harris at the 2129 01:40:48,890 --> 01:40:47,760 Pentagon just last week she confirmed 2130 01:40:50,660 --> 01:40:48,900 and I know she's done this with other 2131 01:40:52,730 --> 01:40:50,670 media outlets so this isn't anything new 2132 01:40:55,010 --> 01:40:52,740 but it was new for me to have it in 2133 01:40:57,890 --> 01:40:55,020 writing was that they did not the 2134 01:41:00,590 --> 01:40:57,900 Department of Defense did not release 2135 01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,600 those videos or declassify them meaning 2136 01:41:06,650 --> 01:41:03,360 wherever mr. Elizondo got them they were 2137 01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:06,660 not from an official channel now take 2138 01:41:11,690 --> 01:41:09,810 that for what it's worth no we need to 2139 01:41:13,610 --> 01:41:11,700 be very clear about this too as well 2140 01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:13,620 because this has been brought up a few 2141 01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:17,610 times and certainly there are some great 2142 01:41:22,270 --> 01:41:19,410 researchers out there in the UFO 2143 01:41:27,260 --> 01:41:22,280 community and and these videos 2144 01:41:31,940 --> 01:41:27,270 specifically the the tic-tac video that 2145 01:41:34,670 --> 01:41:31,950 had been out since 2007 on the run on 2146 01:41:37,010 --> 01:41:34,680 YouTube this wasn't any release from the 2147 01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:37,020 Pentagon dirty TSA it simply has been 2148 01:41:43,010 --> 01:41:40,050 out there all over the net so that kind 2149 01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:43,020 of kills one of three videos coming from 2150 01:41:50,660 --> 01:41:46,650 the Pentagon this last one the go-fast 2151 01:41:53,780 --> 01:41:50,670 video whether that was released directly 2152 01:41:55,850 --> 01:41:53,790 from the Pentagon to T TSA that remains 2153 01:41:58,670 --> 01:41:55,860 to be seen that's certainly what T TSA 2154 01:42:00,650 --> 01:41:58,680 has said but I don't know what have you 2155 01:42:04,250 --> 01:42:00,660 found out about that how about the game 2156 01:42:07,370 --> 01:42:04,260 well this was a this was a conversation 2157 01:42:09,950 --> 01:42:07,380 on April 3rd so this was after go-fast 2158 01:42:11,959 --> 01:42:09,960 was released and I'll read you exact 2159 01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:11,969 what major Harris put in writing for me 2160 01:42:17,770 --> 01:42:15,030 okay short and sweet DoD has not 2161 01:42:20,810 --> 01:42:17,780 released videos related to this program 2162 01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:20,820 that's it that's now that wasn't a full 2163 01:42:26,030 --> 01:42:23,489 letter but I mean that was addressing my 2164 01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:26,040 question on how these videos came to be 2165 01:42:31,610 --> 01:42:29,250 now is major Harris lying or not telling 2166 01:42:34,940 --> 01:42:31,620 the truth anything's possible at this 2167 01:42:36,890 --> 01:42:34,950 point sure but you know what what sounds 2168 01:42:39,860 --> 01:42:36,900 more plausible and this is where Occam's 2169 01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:39,870 razor is going to come in in that you 2170 01:42:45,260 --> 01:42:42,650 know you have one side that's not 2171 01:42:47,300 --> 01:42:45,270 addressing any of these potential red 2172 01:42:49,580 --> 01:42:47,310 flags they're not returning phone calls 2173 01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,590 and they're trying to raise 50 million 2174 01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:51,600 dollars and then you have the other side 2175 01:42:55,940 --> 01:42:54,330 who is taking phone calls they're 2176 01:42:58,610 --> 01:42:55,950 calling me back they're calling the 2177 01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,620 media back there kind of stating the 2178 01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,960 facts as they know them and at this 2179 01:43:04,190 --> 01:43:02,880 point you know the DIA 2180 01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:04,200 is the one that's going to release 2181 01:43:08,930 --> 01:43:06,450 documents they haven't processed the 2182 01:43:10,370 --> 01:43:08,940 FOIA requests yet I'm little I know I 2183 01:43:13,610 --> 01:43:10,380 mentioned this but I'll say it again I'm 2184 01:43:16,459 --> 01:43:13,620 in the middle of fighting with dia to 2185 01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:16,469 get them to expedite my request I did a 2186 01:43:21,950 --> 01:43:19,410 27 page appeal letter it was the longest 2187 01:43:23,810 --> 01:43:21,960 appeal letter I've ever written and I 2188 01:43:27,860 --> 01:43:23,820 believe not trying to pat myself on the 2189 01:43:30,860 --> 01:43:27,870 back but it put the case in exactly the 2190 01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:30,870 letter of the law of what is required to 2191 01:43:36,410 --> 01:43:33,840 get a FOIA request expedited and what in 2192 01:43:41,390 --> 01:43:36,420 essence that means is if you can justify 2193 01:43:42,890 --> 01:43:41,400 your request being processed in front of 2194 01:43:45,650 --> 01:43:42,900 all the other requests that they need to 2195 01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:45,660 process then they will expedite it but 2196 01:43:49,580 --> 01:43:47,190 there are certain criteria that you have 2197 01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:49,590 to meet first and foremost has to be 2198 01:43:54,350 --> 01:43:52,800 breaking news well look at December and 2199 01:43:55,729 --> 01:43:54,360 look at the headlines and I guarantee 2200 01:43:57,950 --> 01:43:55,739 you there's no arguing that this was 2201 01:43:58,850 --> 01:43:57,960 breaking news it has to be of public 2202 01:44:01,220 --> 01:43:58,860 interest 2203 01:44:03,860 --> 01:44:01,230 yet again I was able to prove using 2204 01:44:06,530 --> 01:44:03,870 Google Trends that show the popularity 2205 01:44:09,020 --> 01:44:06,540 of UFOs but on top of that the how the 2206 01:44:11,630 --> 01:44:09,030 media around the globe glommed onto this 2207 01:44:16,130 --> 01:44:11,640 thing I was able to break down word by 2208 01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:16,140 word what they required in 27 pages and 2209 01:44:21,050 --> 01:44:18,960 I was denied and so I now I have two 2210 01:44:22,979 --> 01:44:21,060 options I can take them to court and who 2211 01:44:26,580 --> 01:44:22,989 really has the money to do that 2212 01:44:30,330 --> 01:44:26,590 or I got the there's an agency called 2213 01:44:33,029 --> 01:44:30,340 ojas and oh just kind of is the like a 2214 01:44:36,089 --> 01:44:33,039 mediator between people like me being a 2215 01:44:38,939 --> 01:44:36,099 FOIA requester and agencies like OSD or 2216 01:44:40,739 --> 01:44:38,949 dia or whomever and they help mediate so 2217 01:44:43,319 --> 01:44:40,749 if maybe the agency is not being 2218 01:44:45,239 --> 01:44:43,329 truthful with me or they're not giving 2219 01:44:47,429 --> 01:44:45,249 me a fair shot because I truly believe 2220 01:44:50,609 --> 01:44:47,439 that I have filled all of their 2221 01:44:52,069 --> 01:44:50,619 requirements that they will come in and 2222 01:44:55,589 --> 01:44:52,079 kind of overlook it and be a third party 2223 01:44:58,529 --> 01:44:55,599 well and take a look at it so that with 2224 01:45:02,459 --> 01:44:58,539 that yeah and on April 3rd when she said 2225 01:45:05,219 --> 01:45:02,469 I mean it would seem to me that if they 2226 01:45:07,919 --> 01:45:05,229 release the videos to T TSA or you know 2227 01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:07,929 to release to the public that that's a 2228 01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:09,489 simple thing to say yeah we did it's 2229 01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:11,199 it's no big deal we have yeah we 2230 01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:13,840 released them you know wide lie about 2231 01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:16,570 that if they did it just to me it just 2232 01:45:20,699 --> 01:45:18,130 doesn't make any sense it's that's 2233 01:45:23,879 --> 01:45:20,709 nothing to lie about what's the big blow 2234 01:45:26,129 --> 01:45:23,889 the cats out of the bag exactly yeah 2235 01:45:29,129 --> 01:45:26,139 there's there's kind of no reason to lie 2236 01:45:32,609 --> 01:45:29,139 about it she has a lot more to lose by 2237 01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:32,619 lying about it and getting caught versus 2238 01:45:36,270 --> 01:45:34,570 just being honest and saying yeah we 2239 01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:36,280 released the videos okay so you've got 2240 01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:39,280 some white dots caught on infrared you 2241 01:45:43,379 --> 01:45:41,050 know I mean I'm belittling it of course 2242 01:45:45,330 --> 01:45:43,389 but my whole point is what is there to 2243 01:45:47,459 --> 01:45:45,340 lose if she admits it and she's got 2244 01:45:49,620 --> 01:45:47,469 everything to lose if she's lying right 2245 01:45:52,830 --> 01:45:49,630 you know and it doesn't it doesn't make 2246 01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:52,840 sense to me that she would lie so now 2247 01:45:58,500 --> 01:45:54,729 we're kind of back to questioning okay 2248 01:46:00,020 --> 01:45:58,510 are these videos legitimate or they 2249 01:46:02,339 --> 01:46:00,030 might be legitimate but but not 2250 01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:02,349 quote-unquote Declassified from the 2251 01:46:06,060 --> 01:46:04,630 government you know and and and I will 2252 01:46:07,949 --> 01:46:06,070 say this at this point in our 2253 01:46:10,319 --> 01:46:07,959 conversation I'm very passionate about 2254 01:46:13,109 --> 01:46:10,329 this because I've worked for over two 2255 01:46:15,330 --> 01:46:13,119 decades of my life proving a UFO 2256 01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:15,340 cover-up and I've never wanted to be 2257 01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:17,650 more wrong than I am right now by 2258 01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:20,110 doubting or at least the magnitude of 2259 01:46:25,709 --> 01:46:23,170 what a tip was I want to be wrong on 2260 01:46:28,859 --> 01:46:25,719 that but sadly the reason again why I'm 2261 01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:28,869 passionate is because as this unfolds 2262 01:46:34,109 --> 01:46:31,090 and things are getting overblown by the 2263 01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:34,119 media when documents do come out the 2264 01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:36,010 media may not take it as seriously 2265 01:46:38,610 --> 01:46:36,880 because 2266 01:46:41,820 --> 01:46:38,620 they started publishing wrong 2267 01:46:43,140 --> 01:46:41,830 information in December of 2017 so why 2268 01:46:46,020 --> 01:46:43,150 are they going to take it seriously in 2269 01:46:47,879 --> 01:46:46,030 2019 just to be made you know looking 2270 01:46:48,450 --> 01:46:47,889 dumb again I know I'm jumping the gun 2271 01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:48,460 there 2272 01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,040 you're not that they're not my concern 2273 01:46:56,580 --> 01:46:54,400 on Friday night I had a Richard Dolan on 2274 01:46:58,500 --> 01:46:56,590 over at a coast-to-coast I don't know if 2275 01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:58,510 you heard our conversation over there 2276 01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:00,159 but he brought up a really interesting 2277 01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:02,770 point which is addressing what you are 2278 01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:06,130 saying right now the the New York Times 2279 01:47:11,399 --> 01:47:09,040 did that amazing piece right on December 2280 01:47:14,399 --> 01:47:11,409 16th they haven't touched it since then 2281 01:47:16,620 --> 01:47:14,409 and what I'm wondering is is it because 2282 01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:16,630 of the mistakes with aerospace and maybe 2283 01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:18,730 some of the vetting of some of the 2284 01:47:24,570 --> 01:47:21,010 information that was there have they 2285 01:47:26,820 --> 01:47:24,580 gone back or now like you say now 2286 01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:26,830 they're scared right they don't want to 2287 01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:29,170 go back in and visit this because of 2288 01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:30,610 some of these issues that have been 2289 01:47:35,129 --> 01:47:33,040 brought up again it's the the murky 2290 01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:35,139 waters the rabbit hole of of ufology 2291 01:47:39,629 --> 01:47:37,690 right and they took their chances and 2292 01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:39,639 ran with the story and it was great man 2293 01:47:44,430 --> 01:47:41,770 we got disclosure out there right it 2294 01:47:46,740 --> 01:47:44,440 started to happen but now they have it's 2295 01:47:48,930 --> 01:47:46,750 been it's been four months and they 2296 01:47:52,500 --> 01:47:48,940 haven't gone back to do a follow-up a 2297 01:47:54,419 --> 01:47:52,510 retraction or anything they haven't 2298 01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:54,429 touched the story and Richard says why 2299 01:47:59,939 --> 01:47:57,730 and I agree with you yeah I don't 2300 01:48:02,520 --> 01:47:59,949 disagree with that either and and UFOs 2301 01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:02,530 as we know is a very popular topic we 2302 01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:04,239 see it in television we see it in print 2303 01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:06,250 we see it online and so for them to 2304 01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:08,880 break that story in December the 2305 01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:11,530 attention that it got on a global scale 2306 01:48:16,860 --> 01:48:14,650 was not only good for you follow gee but 2307 01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:16,870 in December of 2017 don was good for the 2308 01:48:20,669 --> 01:48:18,610 new york times sure because they were 2309 01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:20,679 the one of the first arguably the first 2310 01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:22,239 I think what was a political was the 2311 01:48:27,209 --> 01:48:24,610 second they didn't get as much credit 2312 01:48:30,750 --> 01:48:27,219 the New York Times that's good because 2313 01:48:33,689 --> 01:48:30,760 all of those worldwide global headlines 2314 01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:33,699 that ran sourced in essence the New York 2315 01:48:37,020 --> 01:48:35,530 Times as kind of the ones that broke the 2316 01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:37,030 story that's something that's really 2317 01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:39,730 positive especially in a dying industry 2318 01:48:44,580 --> 01:48:42,400 of print media you know and here you 2319 01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:44,590 have this very popular story so I know 2320 01:48:49,810 --> 01:48:46,330 that I'm just repeating it here but why 2321 01:48:52,900 --> 01:48:49,820 is that why now are these 2322 01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:52,910 let's not caring as much when the third 2323 01:48:57,700 --> 01:48:55,040 video got released just what four weeks 2324 01:48:59,140 --> 01:48:57,710 ago whatever was five weeks ago when it 2325 01:49:01,840 --> 01:48:59,150 got released was their media attention 2326 01:49:05,110 --> 01:49:01,850 yeah of course but was it to the same 2327 01:49:06,580 --> 01:49:05,120 extent absolutely not and so I think at 2328 01:49:09,010 --> 01:49:06,590 this point it's like okay well we've 2329 01:49:10,450 --> 01:49:09,020 seen these types of videos now and 2330 01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:10,460 things aren't really kind of panning out 2331 01:49:15,070 --> 01:49:12,050 as big as what we are being led to 2332 01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:15,080 believe because again if mr. Elizondo 2333 01:49:18,100 --> 01:49:16,010 said that there was all this evidence 2334 01:49:19,780 --> 01:49:18,110 that came in and this is what convinced 2335 01:49:21,700 --> 01:49:19,790 him that there needs to be more money 2336 01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:21,710 and a more serious approach and this and 2337 01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:21,890 that 2338 01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:33,290 you know I'm fascinated by it the last 2339 01:49:37,420 --> 01:49:35,570 one got really interesting and then the 2340 01:49:38,860 --> 01:49:37,430 credits rolled you know it was like 2341 01:49:41,230 --> 01:49:38,870 right when they latched on to that 2342 01:49:43,930 --> 01:49:41,240 object you know that's not the end of 2343 01:49:46,090 --> 01:49:43,940 the video but then you see TTS A's logo 2344 01:49:48,460 --> 01:49:46,100 and then hey if you want to donate you 2345 01:49:51,340 --> 01:49:48,470 know donate here and I have no problem 2346 01:49:55,090 --> 01:49:51,350 with fundraising but you have to to 2347 01:49:58,120 --> 01:49:55,100 justify the raising of the funds you 2348 01:50:01,780 --> 01:49:58,130 know and that's why again I'm passionate 2349 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:01,790 about it because if there's reason and 2350 01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:04,490 motive to exaggerate and embellish 2351 01:50:09,310 --> 01:50:07,040 because maybe they didn't think any of 2352 01:50:10,750 --> 01:50:09,320 us would ask questions that's all the 2353 01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:10,760 more reason to ask those questions 2354 01:50:14,890 --> 01:50:12,530 that's right because there's two and a 2355 01:50:18,220 --> 01:50:14,900 half million dollars that's been put 2356 01:50:19,870 --> 01:50:18,230 into this organization by people some 2357 01:50:22,210 --> 01:50:19,880 maybe even listening to your program I 2358 01:50:24,010 --> 01:50:22,220 personally didn't donate but you know 2359 01:50:25,540 --> 01:50:24,020 there's people that are there there are 2360 01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:25,550 two and a half million dollars they 2361 01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:29,690 deserve to know why there isn't as much 2362 01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:31,850 as there should be why are these 2363 01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:34,130 government agencies saying nope we have 2364 01:50:38,740 --> 01:50:36,530 no records when really there should be 2365 01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:38,750 and if you're taking people's money you 2366 01:50:43,210 --> 01:50:40,730 should at least address that you know 2367 01:50:45,490 --> 01:50:43,220 and and you may come out and say if mr. 2368 01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:45,500 Elizondo tomorrow gave me a call I have 2369 01:50:50,290 --> 01:50:47,450 a toll-free number mr. Elizondo won't 2370 01:50:52,750 --> 01:50:50,300 cost you anything give me a call and and 2371 01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:52,760 and if he tells me John the government 2372 01:50:57,100 --> 01:50:55,520 is just simply lying to you I feel a lot 2373 01:50:58,690 --> 01:50:57,110 better I'd at least have some kind of an 2374 01:51:01,360 --> 01:50:58,700 answer and I would be talking to the 2375 01:51:03,339 --> 01:51:01,370 other side but sadly nothing is getting 2376 01:51:05,620 --> 01:51:03,349 addressed and I think it's not fair 2377 01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:05,630 it's not fair to the investors and it's 2378 01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,290 not fair to people that are being led to 2379 01:51:14,410 --> 01:51:11,360 believe something that may or may not be 2380 01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:14,420 true now and at this point the documents 2381 01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:15,530 are the only thing that's telling us a 2382 01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:17,449 story yeah that's right that's right and 2383 01:51:23,620 --> 01:51:20,570 this resignation letter which has been 2384 01:51:25,419 --> 01:51:23,630 talked about very publicly to the 2385 01:51:30,430 --> 01:51:25,429 secretary of defense 2386 01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:30,440 maddis from Elizondo to mattis and he 2387 01:51:36,609 --> 01:51:33,050 immediately you know resigned and went 2388 01:51:38,589 --> 01:51:36,619 to work for TTS a few days later or I 2389 01:51:40,209 --> 01:51:38,599 think that was the timing I could be 2390 01:51:42,339 --> 01:51:40,219 wrong on that but that's not the point 2391 01:51:46,060 --> 01:51:42,349 my point at the beginning of the show 2392 01:51:48,819 --> 01:51:46,070 was shouldn't everything be out there 2393 01:51:50,410 --> 01:51:48,829 when it comes to federal agencies and 2394 01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:50,420 something as simple as a resignation 2395 01:51:56,140 --> 01:51:52,639 letter I would think that that would be 2396 01:51:58,689 --> 01:51:56,150 easy to chase down well yeah and I'll 2397 01:52:00,490 --> 01:51:58,699 defend this no records response because 2398 01:52:02,319 --> 01:52:00,500 this has been a hot topic debate 2399 01:52:06,069 --> 01:52:02,329 actually for quite a few years it 2400 01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:06,079 actually ties back to courts being 2401 01:52:11,500 --> 01:52:08,090 involved on the resignation letter of 2402 01:52:13,359 --> 01:52:11,510 Donald Rumsfeld many moons ago and so 2403 01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:13,369 the question mark under the FOIA and 2404 01:52:16,990 --> 01:52:15,050 this is a fascinating debate but but 2405 01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:17,000 boring to death Saul just quickly 2406 01:52:23,140 --> 01:52:20,800 summarizing summarize it and that is our 2407 01:52:26,290 --> 01:52:23,150 resignation letters subject to the FOIA 2408 01:52:27,970 --> 01:52:26,300 and the courts are leaning towards the 2409 01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:27,980 fact that if they would actually be 2410 01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:32,810 exempt so if that is true I would have 2411 01:52:38,500 --> 01:52:35,770 or should have got a different response 2412 01:52:41,229 --> 01:52:38,510 now for the record for those listening I 2413 01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:41,239 received a no records response when 2414 01:52:46,919 --> 01:52:44,570 asking the Department of Defense for mr. 2415 01:52:52,180 --> 01:52:46,929 Lewis elizondo's resignation letter and 2416 01:52:53,890 --> 01:52:52,190 if it was found but considered exempt it 2417 01:52:56,410 --> 01:52:53,900 should have been under what's called 2418 01:52:59,680 --> 01:52:56,420 exemption b6 and therefore in my 2419 01:53:02,290 --> 01:52:59,690 personal opinion it would be exempted in 2420 01:53:05,140 --> 01:53:02,300 its entirety under what's called b6 and 2421 01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:05,150 that is simply privacy information and 2422 01:53:11,109 --> 01:53:08,090 so this was another kind of gray area 2423 01:53:13,209 --> 01:53:11,119 I'll forgive the no records response on 2424 01:53:15,330 --> 01:53:13,219 this one simply because to the 2425 01:53:17,530 --> 01:53:15,340 government they may not consider it a 2426 01:53:19,480 --> 01:53:17,540 official government record 2427 01:53:23,710 --> 01:53:19,490 I personally would fight that but that's 2428 01:53:25,780 --> 01:53:23,720 a different show the debate however is 2429 01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:25,790 that it would be exempt so I believe 2430 01:53:29,380 --> 01:53:26,930 that I should have gotten a different 2431 01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:29,390 response other than no records but be 2432 01:53:33,610 --> 01:53:31,250 that as it may that's that's what I got 2433 01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:33,620 what I also found interesting though in 2434 01:53:36,700 --> 01:53:35,450 that same FOIA request is that even 2435 01:53:39,190 --> 01:53:36,710 though they denied that a resignation 2436 01:53:41,710 --> 01:53:39,200 letter was there or they denied giving 2437 01:53:44,410 --> 01:53:41,720 me one I did in the same FOIA request 2438 01:53:48,180 --> 01:53:44,420 ask for any response given to mr. 2439 01:53:51,070 --> 01:53:48,190 Elizondo regarding his resignation 2440 01:53:52,750 --> 01:53:51,080 Secretary of Defense James Madison 2441 01:53:56,050 --> 01:53:52,760 interviews it's been said that 2442 01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:56,060 apparently Louis Elizondo and James 2443 01:53:58,900 --> 01:53:57,770 Madison we're friends so he would think 2444 01:54:02,170 --> 01:53:58,910 that there would be some kind of 2445 01:54:05,050 --> 01:54:02,180 response on an official level that that 2446 01:54:08,970 --> 01:54:05,060 also received a no records response in 2447 01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:08,980 that FOIA request I also requested any 2448 01:54:16,060 --> 01:54:13,130 communication from mr. Elizondo and any 2449 01:54:19,390 --> 01:54:16,070 DoD official about the declassification 2450 01:54:21,310 --> 01:54:19,400 or public release of the videos that 2451 01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:21,320 were obtained by the advanced aviation 2452 01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:23,570 threat identification program that as 2453 01:54:28,540 --> 01:54:26,330 well received a no records response now 2454 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:28,550 that's a big one and the reason why I 2455 01:54:33,820 --> 01:54:31,370 bring that up is because he would have 2456 01:54:35,410 --> 01:54:33,830 to submit something a form of 2457 01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:35,420 communication now he's admitted it's a 2458 01:54:40,750 --> 01:54:38,480 DD Form 1910 right but there might be 2459 01:54:42,670 --> 01:54:40,760 communication he may say hey look these 2460 01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:42,680 are not classified can we get them 2461 01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:44,930 cleared for public release because a lot 2462 01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:46,490 of information within the government is 2463 01:54:51,250 --> 01:54:49,730 considered unclassified but they can't 2464 01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:51,260 just release it to the public they call 2465 01:54:57,730 --> 01:54:54,800 it for official use only fo you oh and 2466 01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,740 so you need to take all the for official 2467 01:55:02,710 --> 01:54:59,840 use only and still get approved for 2468 01:55:05,020 --> 01:55:02,720 public release so I requested any 2469 01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:05,030 communication whatsoever in the form of 2470 01:55:11,290 --> 01:55:07,370 emails letters memos anything that 2471 01:55:13,330 --> 01:55:11,300 received a no records response so those 2472 01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:13,340 those facts that are coming up with no 2473 01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:16,250 records responses just don't make any 2474 01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:18,890 sense and just tacked on to the list of 2475 01:55:26,380 --> 01:55:22,400 red flags of what documents should be 2476 01:55:29,679 --> 01:55:26,390 there but aren't well if he says that he 2477 01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:29,689 submitted the release forms right 2478 01:55:35,709 --> 01:55:33,199 and and the videos were released well 2479 01:55:38,770 --> 01:55:35,719 then these are Declassified so the 2480 01:55:41,140 --> 01:55:38,780 request is completely harmless and 2481 01:55:43,299 --> 01:55:41,150 benign and there should it should just 2482 01:55:45,729 --> 01:55:43,309 be out there and and ready to go for a 2483 01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:45,739 FOIA that that's about that it would 2484 01:55:52,330 --> 01:55:48,169 come to you unredacted because it was 2485 01:55:54,339 --> 01:55:52,340 released yeah I mean yeah within reason 2486 01:55:56,890 --> 01:55:54,349 they would black out the names of the 2487 01:55:59,140 --> 01:55:56,900 the personnel inside that authorized it 2488 01:56:01,029 --> 01:55:59,150 that's common you know that's exemption 2489 01:56:02,919 --> 01:56:01,039 b6 but you're right the majority of that 2490 01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:02,929 would not be classified videos released 2491 01:56:08,500 --> 01:56:05,840 and if that is what mr. Elizondo has as 2492 01:56:11,379 --> 01:56:08,510 the quote-unquote chain of custody if 2493 01:56:14,379 --> 01:56:11,389 it's maybe just being you know worded 2494 01:56:16,449 --> 01:56:14,389 more colorfully to sound cool in the 2495 01:56:19,449 --> 01:56:16,459 chain of custody versus it's a DD form 2496 01:56:21,899 --> 01:56:19,459 1910 great come out and say that and 2497 01:56:24,399 --> 01:56:21,909 show us the form because in my opinion 2498 01:56:27,969 --> 01:56:24,409 that form would not be classified at all 2499 01:56:29,709 --> 01:56:27,979 if it was in any way whatsoever 2500 01:56:31,779 --> 01:56:29,719 mr. Elizondo would not have it 2501 01:56:33,819 --> 01:56:31,789 regardless of him having a security 2502 01:56:35,409 --> 01:56:33,829 clearance and this is another point that 2503 01:56:38,109 --> 01:56:35,419 I think the audience should definitely 2504 01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:38,119 take into consideration whatever they 2505 01:56:42,399 --> 01:56:39,679 have whatever they're holding within T 2506 01:56:45,189 --> 01:56:42,409 TSA or mr. Elizondo and his private safe 2507 01:56:47,439 --> 01:56:45,199 in his bedroom or whatever it is cannot 2508 01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:47,449 be classified at this time because they 2509 01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:50,570 cannot have it you you can't retire from 2510 01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:52,130 the government now I won't argue that he 2511 01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:53,570 has a security clearance I'm sure he 2512 01:56:56,140 --> 01:56:54,050 does 2513 01:56:58,330 --> 01:56:56,150 I won't argue that it's current I'm sure 2514 01:57:00,489 --> 01:56:58,340 it is I won't argue that he has an oath 2515 01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:00,499 and that's still in effect I'm sure it 2516 01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:03,110 is but he cannot take classified 2517 01:57:07,779 --> 01:57:05,570 information in any way home with him as 2518 01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:07,789 a souvenir right we can all agree to 2519 01:57:13,449 --> 01:57:10,610 that so whatever he has as a chain of 2520 01:57:15,790 --> 01:57:13,459 custody document whatever it is it would 2521 01:57:18,549 --> 01:57:15,800 be releasable to the public and yet see 2522 01:57:22,779 --> 01:57:18,559 TSA is holding onto it why I have no 2523 01:57:28,209 --> 01:57:22,789 idea if they have it I'll let you say 2524 01:57:31,209 --> 01:57:28,219 that yeah I don't want to doubt it I 2525 01:57:33,909 --> 01:57:31,219 don't think I'm on their side I really 2526 01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:33,919 truly am but we have to be realistic 2527 01:57:39,009 --> 01:57:36,320 here and and it's there's just too many 2528 01:57:40,750 --> 01:57:39,019 red flags to just let it go and let that 2529 01:57:42,850 --> 01:57:40,760 ticker go to fifty million dollars 2530 01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:42,860 without getting answers absolutely let's 2531 01:57:44,980 --> 01:57:43,040 take 2532 01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:44,990 could break right here I guess tonight 2533 01:57:49,210 --> 01:57:47,330 John Greenwald the black vault we're 2534 01:57:50,830 --> 01:57:49,220 talking about us to the stars Academy 2535 01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:50,840 report 2536 01:57:54,700 --> 01:57:52,970 I'm your host Jimmy Church more with 2537 01:57:55,580 --> 01:57:54,710 John right after this short break stay 2538 01:58:02,360 --> 01:57:55,590 with us 2539 01:58:09,420 --> 01:58:02,370 [Music] 2540 01:58:12,540 --> 01:58:09,430 radio calm this is kg are a digital 2541 01:58:17,610 --> 01:58:12,550 broadcasting station Salt Lake City Utah 2542 01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:17,620 Van Buren Arkansas let's get this man to 2543 01:58:22,350 --> 01:58:20,050 the ER stat right away doctor we see 2544 01:58:24,750 --> 01:58:22,360 this every day heart attack or angina 2545 01:58:27,300 --> 01:58:24,760 pain due to blocked and clogged arteries 2546 01:58:29,250 --> 01:58:27,310 chelation can remove obstructions or 2547 01:58:31,290 --> 01:58:29,260 blockages from arteries and help avoid 2548 01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:31,300 painful and expensive surgery 2549 01:58:35,490 --> 01:58:33,850 now there's angiogram it's a liquid oral 2550 01:58:37,890 --> 01:58:35,500 chelation product that you take with 2551 01:58:40,230 --> 01:58:37,900 juice you start to feel the results fast 2552 01:58:42,270 --> 01:58:40,240 angio primm increases blood flow all 2553 01:58:44,130 --> 01:58:42,280 over the body and that means more energy 2554 01:58:46,650 --> 01:58:44,140 and strength to take on the day with 2555 01:58:48,770 --> 01:58:46,660 less aches and pains 60 years of 2556 01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:48,780 research has gone into chelation and 2557 01:58:54,060 --> 01:58:51,850 angiogram is the result a safe and easy 2558 01:58:56,220 --> 01:58:54,070 way to unblock your veins and arteries 2559 01:58:58,080 --> 01:58:56,230 from build-up that slow circulation 2560 01:58:59,100 --> 01:58:58,090 shaping dr. 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02:01:48,689 --> 02:01:44,800 couldn't stay sane without poor mr. 2617 02:01:53,930 --> 02:01:48,699 Brooks life fades apart because you 2618 02:01:57,930 --> 02:01:55,770 this is fade to black 2619 02:02:01,590 --> 02:01:57,940 with Jimmy Church on the game changer 2620 02:02:03,970 --> 02:02:01,600 radio network and kgr a the global radio 2621 02:02:15,270 --> 02:02:03,980 alliance 2622 02:02:17,350 --> 02:02:15,280 [Music] 2623 02:02:19,330 --> 02:02:17,360 welcome back fade to black come you'll 2624 02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:19,340 see me Church follow me on Twitter ith 2625 02:02:24,430 --> 02:02:22,570 radio follow John Greenwald at 2626 02:02:27,970 --> 02:02:24,440 blackballed com 2627 02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:27,980 it's that simple on Twitter talking 2628 02:02:32,530 --> 02:02:30,410 about this to the stars Academy in Lewes 2629 02:02:35,790 --> 02:02:32,540 Hummels Hondo and the stuff John once 2630 02:02:38,860 --> 02:02:35,800 you put stuff out there in the public 2631 02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:38,870 well from both the DoD and and the 2632 02:02:44,680 --> 02:02:41,840 Pentagon but certainly Luis and to the 2633 02:02:47,980 --> 02:02:44,690 stars it's part of the record here and 2634 02:02:50,500 --> 02:02:47,990 you really especially with ufology you 2635 02:02:54,370 --> 02:02:50,510 can't make mistakes we all believe in 2636 02:02:56,590 --> 02:02:54,380 the tts a mission and and I'm fully you 2637 02:02:59,950 --> 02:02:56,600 know what I'm really appreciative of is 2638 02:03:01,990 --> 02:02:59,960 the checkbook you know a PR firm is 2639 02:03:03,850 --> 02:03:02,000 expensive pushing the stuff out into the 2640 02:03:06,310 --> 02:03:03,860 media is expensive getting these 2641 02:03:09,790 --> 02:03:06,320 interviews in and the awareness of 2642 02:03:12,430 --> 02:03:09,800 ufology elevated in the UFO question is 2643 02:03:14,500 --> 02:03:12,440 is so commendable it's never been done 2644 02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:14,510 before like this and for that I thank T 2645 02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:17,210 TSA but then we have all of this this 2646 02:03:23,530 --> 02:03:21,530 series of mistakes once okay twice or 2647 02:03:26,170 --> 02:03:23,540 whatever but we're not trying to 2648 02:03:28,660 --> 02:03:26,180 criticize T TSA we're addressing these 2649 02:03:31,210 --> 02:03:28,670 issues and asking for clarification and 2650 02:03:34,540 --> 02:03:31,220 that is exactly what you've been doing 2651 02:03:36,790 --> 02:03:34,550 here what I've been trying to do yeah 2652 02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:36,800 yeah and I think that a you know from 2653 02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:39,050 from both sides and I'll say it again I 2654 02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:41,690 mean they need to address some of these 2655 02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:45,290 points just to explain it and to be open 2656 02:03:49,750 --> 02:03:47,840 with the public and I believe it was on 2657 02:03:51,130 --> 02:03:49,760 incorrect me if I'm wrong I believe it 2658 02:03:54,240 --> 02:03:51,140 was on your show that you interviewed 2659 02:03:56,110 --> 02:03:54,250 Grant Cameron and he kind of spoke to 2660 02:03:57,550 --> 02:03:56,120 something to the effect from what I 2661 02:04:00,370 --> 02:03:57,560 understood because I did not hear the 2662 02:04:02,410 --> 02:04:00,380 specific interview but saying that T TSA 2663 02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:02,420 in essence divorced the UFO community 2664 02:04:06,670 --> 02:04:04,850 and they were approaching in a in a 2665 02:04:08,700 --> 02:04:06,680 different way and that was correct me is 2666 02:04:11,020 --> 02:04:08,710 that that was on your show yes it was 2667 02:04:13,570 --> 02:04:11,030 yeah and and i think that that's 2668 02:04:17,260 --> 02:04:13,580 completely the wrong approach you know 2669 02:04:19,750 --> 02:04:17,270 III don't agree at all for that type of 2670 02:04:21,940 --> 02:04:19,760 approach I mean I agree and thank them 2671 02:04:23,500 --> 02:04:21,950 for forgetting publicity and kind of 2672 02:04:25,770 --> 02:04:23,510 bringing the story little light because 2673 02:04:29,490 --> 02:04:25,780 I didn't know about it you know I didn't 2674 02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:29,500 and have a rumor about something like a 2675 02:04:35,130 --> 02:04:31,570 tip I mean I I found documents to show 2676 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:35,140 that they were taking in UFO reports but 2677 02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:38,890 but not not to this extent again with 2678 02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:41,650 what they were trying to convey and so 2679 02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:42,970 that I give them a lot of credit but I 2680 02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:45,850 think that we need to really embrace and 2681 02:04:49,530 --> 02:04:48,010 I'm speaking for them or at least I wish 2682 02:04:51,390 --> 02:04:49,540 that they would think this way I think 2683 02:04:53,700 --> 02:04:51,400 that they need to embrace the UFO 2684 02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:53,710 community not divorce it because it's 2685 02:04:58,800 --> 02:04:56,560 the UFO community like you like me like 2686 02:05:01,590 --> 02:04:58,810 everybody listening that asks questions 2687 02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:01,600 and I don't know if they just expected 2688 02:05:05,370 --> 02:05:03,490 to swoop in and say give us 50 million 2689 02:05:07,380 --> 02:05:05,380 bucks and we're gonna you know take you 2690 02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:07,390 to the stars figuratively and literally 2691 02:05:13,260 --> 02:05:10,330 and and and we'll all make tons of money 2692 02:05:15,510 --> 02:05:13,270 along the way and no one would ask a 2693 02:05:17,700 --> 02:05:15,520 question I mean that the whole basis of 2694 02:05:21,150 --> 02:05:17,710 this was surrounding this quote-unquote 2695 02:05:23,850 --> 02:05:21,160 secret Pentagon UFO study that the media 2696 02:05:26,220 --> 02:05:23,860 touted and that's what really put t TSA 2697 02:05:28,770 --> 02:05:26,230 on the map I mean Tom DeLonge obviously 2698 02:05:31,050 --> 02:05:28,780 got a lot of publicity on his own and 2699 02:05:34,350 --> 02:05:31,060 he's a big name and he is literally a 2700 02:05:36,510 --> 02:05:34,360 rockstar but on top of that you know it 2701 02:05:39,090 --> 02:05:36,520 was mr. Elizondo story that really took 2702 02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:39,100 this to the next level and with that 2703 02:05:43,830 --> 02:05:41,170 being said I think they need to embrace 2704 02:05:45,900 --> 02:05:43,840 the UFO community and address some of 2705 02:05:48,360 --> 02:05:45,910 these things if it's as easy as them 2706 02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:48,370 saying hey they're lying to us all then 2707 02:05:54,660 --> 02:05:51,250 fine at least we have an answer but to 2708 02:05:56,430 --> 02:05:54,670 just not even do interviews and you know 2709 02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:56,440 just kind of ignore a lot of this I 2710 02:06:00,720 --> 02:05:58,000 think that's going to be doing more harm 2711 02:06:03,420 --> 02:06:00,730 than good at this point in one interview 2712 02:06:05,970 --> 02:06:03,430 given by mr. Elizondo he states the 2713 02:06:09,390 --> 02:06:05,980 following a tip receives the cases from 2714 02:06:11,610 --> 02:06:09,400 various different channels so where our 2715 02:06:14,550 --> 02:06:11,620 office had at the top of the office of 2716 02:06:17,160 --> 02:06:14,560 the Secretary of Defense we had multiple 2717 02:06:18,900 --> 02:06:17,170 avenues of approach so you had in some 2718 02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:18,910 cases reporting would come up through 2719 02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:21,730 Navy channels in other cases would come 2720 02:06:27,090 --> 02:06:24,610 up through Air Force channels now right 2721 02:06:29,820 --> 02:06:27,100 there that's on the public record now 2722 02:06:31,890 --> 02:06:29,830 you have a direction to go with with a 2723 02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:31,900 document request don't you what did you 2724 02:06:36,750 --> 02:06:34,960 do that's correct yeah so I filed it 2725 02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:36,760 based on that interview and I listened 2726 02:06:39,430 --> 02:06:38,800 to listen to it I tried to listen to as 2727 02:06:41,170 --> 02:06:39,440 much as 2728 02:06:43,270 --> 02:06:41,180 what he was actually doing when it came 2729 02:06:45,340 --> 02:06:43,280 to interviews and this was somewhat new 2730 02:06:47,650 --> 02:06:45,350 information that he had talked about on 2731 02:06:51,070 --> 02:06:47,660 it specifically where the cases were 2732 02:06:54,250 --> 02:06:51,080 coming to excuse me coming from into the 2733 02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:54,260 atyp offices so to speak 2734 02:07:01,330 --> 02:06:56,330 and and one of the sentences he said 2735 02:07:03,340 --> 02:07:01,340 said for this capability all roads I 2736 02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:03,350 guess led to Rome in this particular 2737 02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:05,810 case all roads led to our office 2738 02:07:09,310 --> 02:07:07,760 regarding the phenomena so when he was 2739 02:07:11,860 --> 02:07:09,320 stressing in this interview was that Air 2740 02:07:14,500 --> 02:07:11,870 Force Navy they would all send reports 2741 02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:14,510 to him right so what I did was I filed a 2742 02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:16,880 FOIA request based solely on that 2743 02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:20,170 statement looking for any communication 2744 02:07:24,250 --> 02:07:22,880 submissions videos reports letters memos 2745 02:07:26,439 --> 02:07:24,260 I mean I named them all in the FOIA 2746 02:07:27,850 --> 02:07:26,449 request and I requested to the 2747 02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:27,860 Department of Navy I also did the Air 2748 02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:29,570 Force I don't have a response yet from 2749 02:07:34,870 --> 02:07:32,330 them but the Navy being listed by mr. 2750 02:07:37,090 --> 02:07:34,880 Elizondo as a source figured something 2751 02:07:40,860 --> 02:07:37,100 would come up and so I requested any 2752 02:07:43,810 --> 02:07:40,870 type of communication submission form 2753 02:07:46,900 --> 02:07:43,820 anything like that from the Department 2754 02:07:50,350 --> 02:07:46,910 of the Navy into the atyp office at OSD 2755 02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:50,360 or the DIA which I did stipulate that it 2756 02:07:56,290 --> 02:07:54,110 could go to either agencies depending 2757 02:07:58,840 --> 02:07:56,300 upon what time frame they were 2758 02:08:01,600 --> 02:07:58,850 submitting it so not to get technical 2759 02:08:03,070 --> 02:08:01,610 but according to the to the story anyway 2760 02:08:05,950 --> 02:08:03,080 it started at Defense Intelligence 2761 02:08:06,580 --> 02:08:05,960 Agency and moved over to the Secretary 2762 02:08:08,979 --> 02:08:06,590 of Defense 2763 02:08:11,320 --> 02:08:08,989 meaning the 8th tip program so I was 2764 02:08:14,220 --> 02:08:11,330 covering all bases with that request but 2765 02:08:17,110 --> 02:08:14,230 I also asked for in the same request any 2766 02:08:20,590 --> 02:08:17,120 instruction manuals reporting procedures 2767 02:08:23,670 --> 02:08:20,600 methods memos directives anything that 2768 02:08:25,870 --> 02:08:23,680 would outline if you see a UFO or 2769 02:08:28,720 --> 02:08:25,880 unidentified aerial phenomena or 2770 02:08:30,729 --> 02:08:28,730 whatever acronym you want to use how 2771 02:08:31,959 --> 02:08:30,739 would you report that to a tip because 2772 02:08:33,370 --> 02:08:31,969 one thing with the military and the 2773 02:08:35,950 --> 02:08:33,380 government they have pretty much 2774 02:08:38,680 --> 02:08:35,960 everything spelled out whether it be in 2775 02:08:42,250 --> 02:08:38,690 an instruction manual or a directive or 2776 02:08:44,080 --> 02:08:42,260 a memo or something but but history 2777 02:08:46,450 --> 02:08:44,090 shows us that that's how they take in 2778 02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:46,460 reports and and I have proof of that 2779 02:08:51,939 --> 02:08:49,370 even specifically on UFO records you 2780 02:08:53,010 --> 02:08:51,949 know where they have specific ways on 2781 02:08:55,770 --> 02:08:53,020 how to sit 2782 02:08:58,620 --> 02:08:55,780 a report of whatever kind and so I 2783 02:09:00,920 --> 02:08:58,630 looked for in this FOIA request any and 2784 02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:00,930 all of those types of instructions and 2785 02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:03,370 the Department of Navy finally got back 2786 02:09:09,570 --> 02:09:07,090 to me mid-march is when I filed the 2787 02:09:12,330 --> 02:09:09,580 request they got back to me within a few 2788 02:09:15,060 --> 02:09:12,340 weeks they told me what offices they 2789 02:09:16,740 --> 02:09:15,070 searched which would be the ones that 2790 02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:16,750 would hold records like this which 2791 02:09:21,420 --> 02:09:19,090 included the Naval Air Systems Command 2792 02:09:23,130 --> 02:09:21,430 the commander of the naval air forces 2793 02:09:25,290 --> 02:09:23,140 and the Pacific and the Chief of Naval 2794 02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:25,300 Operations Office of information warfare 2795 02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:27,040 right so those are the offices within 2796 02:09:32,460 --> 02:09:30,010 the Navy that would if records existed 2797 02:09:34,560 --> 02:09:32,470 they would be there and all of them said 2798 02:09:37,410 --> 02:09:34,570 absolutely nothing that there were no 2799 02:09:39,390 --> 02:09:37,420 records pertaining to any communications 2800 02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:39,400 between them and a tip but on top of 2801 02:09:43,500 --> 02:09:41,290 that there were no directives no 2802 02:09:47,610 --> 02:09:43,510 reporting instructions no manuals no 2803 02:09:49,410 --> 02:09:47,620 nothing now why is that because mr. 2804 02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:49,420 Elizondo and you I'll go back to what 2805 02:09:55,860 --> 02:09:53,170 you read he says some case some cases 2806 02:09:58,710 --> 02:09:55,870 reporting would come up through navy 2807 02:10:00,480 --> 02:09:58,720 channels that right there tells you he 2808 02:10:02,340 --> 02:10:00,490 didn't go to the navy and sift through 2809 02:10:05,130 --> 02:10:02,350 videos and try and find something on his 2810 02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:05,140 own according to his own words they 2811 02:10:09,630 --> 02:10:08,050 would come to him from the Navy so how 2812 02:10:12,090 --> 02:10:09,640 would they come through if the Navy is 2813 02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:12,100 saying no we don't have anything but mr. 2814 02:10:16,860 --> 02:10:13,450 Elizondo is saying yeah they would come 2815 02:10:19,020 --> 02:10:16,870 in through the Navy well what's going on 2816 02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:19,030 with this one now you know that part 2817 02:10:22,260 --> 02:10:21,280 didn't make sense either and so you 2818 02:10:25,110 --> 02:10:22,270 would think that there would be 2819 02:10:27,540 --> 02:10:25,120 something related to what I had 2820 02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:27,550 requested and I was vague and I was 2821 02:10:35,370 --> 02:10:30,490 broad for a reason and yet the Navy says 2822 02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:35,380 nope we got nothing that red flag call 2823 02:10:40,350 --> 02:10:36,930 it the start of the nail in the coffin 2824 02:10:42,330 --> 02:10:40,360 that something wasn't right the 2825 02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:42,340 magnitude wasn't what we were being led 2826 02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:44,410 to believe mr. Elizondo isn't being 2827 02:10:48,090 --> 02:10:47,290 truthful I mean there's a list of what 2828 02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:48,100 it could be 2829 02:10:54,450 --> 02:10:50,410 but regardless Navy's got nothing so 2830 02:10:56,430 --> 02:10:54,460 this was another agency that is saying 2831 02:10:58,470 --> 02:10:56,440 that there are no documents when based 2832 02:11:00,750 --> 02:10:58,480 on his own testimony there should be is 2833 02:11:02,760 --> 02:11:00,760 there a possibility here I'll play 2834 02:11:04,899 --> 02:11:02,770 devil's advocate is there a possibility 2835 02:11:08,439 --> 02:11:04,909 that we got Louis's name 2836 02:11:10,569 --> 02:11:08,449 wrong or that he had another name that 2837 02:11:12,810 --> 02:11:10,579 he was using inside of the DoD and 2838 02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:12,820 that's why there's absolutely zero 2839 02:11:19,089 --> 02:11:17,360 anything on this guy well not really 2840 02:11:23,500 --> 02:11:19,099 just simply because the scope of my 2841 02:11:25,719 --> 02:11:23,510 requests and I do put the text on the 2842 02:11:28,029 --> 02:11:25,729 the big I call it a case file but the 2843 02:11:29,890 --> 02:11:28,039 big page that I created so anybody can 2844 02:11:32,439 --> 02:11:29,900 verify when I requested but I wasn't 2845 02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:32,449 saying give me everything from mr. Lewis 2846 02:11:35,739 --> 02:11:34,400 elizondo's email address and that's 2847 02:11:38,109 --> 02:11:35,749 where I left it 2848 02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:38,119 so if that's what I did and got a no 2849 02:11:43,509 --> 02:11:40,610 records response and his name was you 2850 02:11:46,149 --> 02:11:43,519 know Charles Smith then sure yeah that 2851 02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:46,159 that you'd have a point but I'm going 2852 02:11:50,770 --> 02:11:49,130 after what we have confirmed according 2853 02:11:53,229 --> 02:11:50,780 to the government itself as the real 2854 02:11:55,949 --> 02:11:53,239 name the real project name and then on 2855 02:11:58,540 --> 02:11:55,959 top of that not even really mentioning 2856 02:12:01,350 --> 02:11:58,550 elizondo's names in what I'm requesting 2857 02:12:04,779 --> 02:12:01,360 now I do use his name and his testimony 2858 02:12:07,779 --> 02:12:04,789 to support why the documents would be 2859 02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:07,789 there but in the scope of what I'm 2860 02:12:11,770 --> 02:12:09,530 requesting and the paragraphs that 2861 02:12:14,469 --> 02:12:11,780 stipulated I'm looking for X Y & Z I 2862 02:12:17,109 --> 02:12:14,479 don't say with mr. elizondo's name on it 2863 02:12:18,549 --> 02:12:17,119 you know so that again was a strategic 2864 02:12:21,100 --> 02:12:18,559 thing you leave all that stuff off 2865 02:12:23,140 --> 02:12:21,110 because maybe the program is real but 2866 02:12:24,909 --> 02:12:23,150 mr. Elizondo was not the head of it even 2867 02:12:26,709 --> 02:12:24,919 though that's what he said about saying 2868 02:12:29,049 --> 02:12:26,719 that he's lying but again you get my 2869 02:12:31,239 --> 02:12:29,059 drift that if you're too specific you 2870 02:12:32,799 --> 02:12:31,249 get yourself in trouble so to your 2871 02:12:35,739 --> 02:12:32,809 question no I don't think that's 2872 02:12:38,229 --> 02:12:35,749 possible simply because I don't have his 2873 02:12:40,779 --> 02:12:38,239 name in the majority of these requests 2874 02:12:43,479 --> 02:12:40,789 now is there also I'll play devil 2875 02:12:46,209 --> 02:12:43,489 devil's advocate again where that all of 2876 02:12:49,029 --> 02:12:46,219 this is so top secret and 2877 02:12:51,790 --> 02:12:49,039 compartmentalized that they are not 2878 02:12:54,909 --> 02:12:51,800 going to release diddly-squat to you 2879 02:12:56,799 --> 02:12:54,919 what about that yeah is that a 2880 02:12:58,179 --> 02:12:56,809 possibility Mia maybe but there's a 2881 02:13:00,609 --> 02:12:58,189 couple things working against that 2882 02:13:03,100 --> 02:13:00,619 theory number one they're openly talking 2883 02:13:05,020 --> 02:13:03,110 about it and they meaning not only mr. 2884 02:13:06,969 --> 02:13:05,030 Elizondo but also the government itself 2885 02:13:08,589 --> 02:13:06,979 right so therefore the gut the the 2886 02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:08,599 program itself is not all that 2887 02:13:12,759 --> 02:13:10,610 top-secret but now you have the 2888 02:13:16,899 --> 02:13:12,769 testimony granted it wasn't under oath 2889 02:13:18,700 --> 02:13:16,909 of former US Senator Harry Reid saying 2890 02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:18,710 that these documents are primarily 2891 02:13:23,530 --> 02:13:21,050 unclassified and open and you can ask 2892 02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:23,540 for him so you wouldn't have you know 2893 02:13:28,860 --> 02:13:27,050 those things out there if it was just so 2894 02:13:32,470 --> 02:13:28,870 top-secret they they wouldn't even 2895 02:13:34,570 --> 02:13:32,480 acknowledge it and I'll and I'll back 2896 02:13:36,490 --> 02:13:34,580 that up even more let's just omit the 2897 02:13:39,010 --> 02:13:36,500 testimony of Elizondo let's omit the 2898 02:13:41,860 --> 02:13:39,020 testimony or the the wording of Harry 2899 02:13:44,229 --> 02:13:41,870 Reid I have proof that when you deal 2900 02:13:46,420 --> 02:13:44,239 with stuff that is really you know 2901 02:13:48,340 --> 02:13:46,430 top-secret at the highest levels 2902 02:13:51,970 --> 02:13:48,350 specifically the National Security 2903 02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:51,980 Agency's programs that work that came to 2904 02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:53,450 light through the head word Snowden 2905 02:13:57,780 --> 02:13:55,850 revelations mm-hmm and you know we're 2906 02:14:00,250 --> 02:13:57,790 talking about some seriously top-secret 2907 02:14:01,690 --> 02:14:00,260 stuff just simply because they were 2908 02:14:03,610 --> 02:14:01,700 breaking laws they knew they weren't 2909 02:14:05,530 --> 02:14:03,620 doing something right this was at the 2910 02:14:07,390 --> 02:14:05,540 highest level of being top-secret it was 2911 02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:07,400 never acknowledged it was kept off the 2912 02:14:11,140 --> 02:14:09,050 books I mean you know there's very few 2913 02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:11,150 people that would argue that that's very 2914 02:14:16,930 --> 02:14:14,480 top secret I had that that that would 2915 02:14:18,940 --> 02:14:16,940 not be very top secret excuse me and so 2916 02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:18,950 I have filed FOIA requests on those 2917 02:14:25,060 --> 02:14:22,730 specific program names and topics and if 2918 02:14:27,640 --> 02:14:25,070 we if we kind of juxtapose here that 2919 02:14:30,250 --> 02:14:27,650 versus a tip mm-hmm the responses I got 2920 02:14:32,260 --> 02:14:30,260 from the NSA were completely different 2921 02:14:34,570 --> 02:14:32,270 they were giving what are called Glomar 2922 02:14:37,420 --> 02:14:34,580 responses and what that means is is that 2923 02:14:40,570 --> 02:14:37,430 they will neither confirm nor deny that 2924 02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:40,580 records exist on let's say prism prism 2925 02:14:45,459 --> 02:14:42,800 being one of the programs that Snowden 2926 02:14:47,950 --> 02:14:45,469 came out with right so I'm using that as 2927 02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:47,960 an example because that is how the 2928 02:14:52,660 --> 02:14:49,610 government deals with some of the most 2929 02:14:55,510 --> 02:14:52,670 top-secret material that you can request 2930 02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:55,520 and instead of saying nope we have can 2931 02:14:59,200 --> 02:14:58,010 lie about it they just say not you know 2932 02:15:00,040 --> 02:14:59,210 what we're not even going to tell you if 2933 02:15:02,380 --> 02:15:00,050 it exists or not 2934 02:15:04,300 --> 02:15:02,390 in essence it's that top secret that 2935 02:15:06,760 --> 02:15:04,310 they just won't touch it but when they 2936 02:15:08,380 --> 02:15:06,770 tip that's not what happened and the 2937 02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:08,390 situation is exactly the same you got 2938 02:15:10,900 --> 02:15:09,770 somebody coming out if you want to call 2939 02:15:13,240 --> 02:15:10,910 him a whistleblower call him a 2940 02:15:14,950 --> 02:15:13,250 whistleblower but he comes out he talks 2941 02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:14,960 about a secret program that's never been 2942 02:15:22,450 --> 02:15:18,650 out before and yet the FOIA responses or 2943 02:15:24,729 --> 02:15:22,460 you know not what it was with these top 2944 02:15:26,350 --> 02:15:24,739 secret NSA programs and I'm just using 2945 02:15:28,330 --> 02:15:26,360 that one example there's quite a few 2946 02:15:30,729 --> 02:15:28,340 that are out there that show that if 2947 02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:30,739 something is that classified it will get 2948 02:15:34,150 --> 02:15:32,330 a Glomar response 2949 02:15:35,770 --> 02:15:34,160 more times than not and they won't 2950 02:15:38,020 --> 02:15:35,780 chance just lying about it because 2951 02:15:40,180 --> 02:15:38,030 they'll get caught later in essence 2952 02:15:43,290 --> 02:15:40,190 they'll just get to blow more when we 2953 02:15:46,390 --> 02:15:43,300 are talking about the difference between 2954 02:15:48,430 --> 02:15:46,400 aviation and aerospace I want to 2955 02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:48,440 actually go back a little bit in time 2956 02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:51,920 and talk about foreign technology and 2957 02:15:59,380 --> 02:15:55,850 that moniker right because that could be 2958 02:16:02,860 --> 02:15:59,390 and has been suggested that that was 2959 02:16:05,820 --> 02:16:02,870 offworld research right but also you 2960 02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:05,830 know and looking into the possibility of 2961 02:16:12,730 --> 02:16:08,960 the retrieval of crash saucers and so 2962 02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:12,740 forth but it also could mean missile 2963 02:16:19,450 --> 02:16:16,880 technology from Russia right and and 2964 02:16:23,890 --> 02:16:19,460 that type of foreign technology when we 2965 02:16:29,740 --> 02:16:23,900 are talking about a tip and aviation 2966 02:16:32,980 --> 02:16:29,750 could this be a black program that is 2967 02:16:36,190 --> 02:16:32,990 doing just that that is looking into the 2968 02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:36,200 aviation threats from foreign 2969 02:16:42,220 --> 02:16:39,010 governments and not necessarily offworld 2970 02:16:44,140 --> 02:16:42,230 yeah absolutely and and I and I wrote 2971 02:16:45,850 --> 02:16:44,150 extensively about that very point we 2972 02:16:47,410 --> 02:16:45,860 haven't talked about it yet but the New 2973 02:16:51,700 --> 02:16:47,420 York Times and their article said that 2974 02:16:53,770 --> 02:16:51,710 Bigelow Aerospace housed these alloys 2975 02:16:55,900 --> 02:16:53,780 that they were able to retrieve under 2976 02:16:58,060 --> 02:16:55,910 this program now of course the media 2977 02:17:00,070 --> 02:16:58,070 just logged all over that stating that 2978 02:17:02,320 --> 02:17:00,080 it was potentially alien and an 2979 02:17:03,879 --> 02:17:02,330 extraterrestrial aircraft were recovered 2980 02:17:05,560 --> 02:17:03,889 spacecraft I should say were recovered 2981 02:17:07,360 --> 02:17:05,570 and of course you know depending upon 2982 02:17:11,020 --> 02:17:07,370 the the media outlet you were reading 2983 02:17:14,100 --> 02:17:11,030 they really embellished that part but my 2984 02:17:16,540 --> 02:17:14,110 theory on this ties into history and 2985 02:17:19,600 --> 02:17:16,550 history shows us a project by the name 2986 02:17:21,730 --> 02:17:19,610 of moon dust and project moon dust was 2987 02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:21,740 in the during the Cold War years and 2988 02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:23,810 it's a fascinating documented history 2989 02:17:29,980 --> 02:17:27,290 that during the Cold War when the Soviet 2990 02:17:32,860 --> 02:17:29,990 Union was was launching not only rockets 2991 02:17:33,550 --> 02:17:32,870 but satellites into space what comes up 2992 02:17:36,820 --> 02:17:33,560 must come down 2993 02:17:39,250 --> 02:17:36,830 and moon dust was responsible for going 2994 02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:39,260 out and retrieving these crashed 2995 02:17:44,350 --> 02:17:42,050 failures or these objects that were 2996 02:17:45,490 --> 02:17:44,360 coming in from space crash landing in 2997 02:17:47,440 --> 02:17:45,500 the middle of Kansas 2998 02:17:49,030 --> 02:17:47,450 or in the ocean or wherever they were 2999 02:17:51,700 --> 02:17:49,040 able to feasibly get you know these 3000 02:17:53,650 --> 02:17:51,710 objects and grab them bring them back 3001 02:17:55,780 --> 02:17:53,660 and essentially back engineer them a 3002 02:17:58,419 --> 02:17:55,790 reverse-engineer them because we wanted 3003 02:18:00,400 --> 02:17:58,429 to see how far the Soviet Union had had 3004 02:18:03,610 --> 02:18:00,410 gotten at this point you know this was a 3005 02:18:06,310 --> 02:18:03,620 very very fascinating time in the space 3006 02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:06,320 race and moondust again is a documented 3007 02:18:10,330 --> 02:18:08,000 part of history you can get documents 3008 02:18:11,680 --> 02:18:10,340 you could search the black vault compher 3009 02:18:13,720 --> 02:18:11,690 for documents on moon dusk 3010 02:18:15,940 --> 02:18:13,730 I've got quite a few of them and that's 3011 02:18:18,490 --> 02:18:15,950 what that job was was to see what the 3012 02:18:20,410 --> 02:18:18,500 material was made of how they were doing 3013 02:18:22,810 --> 02:18:20,420 it potentially what the capabilities 3014 02:18:25,390 --> 02:18:22,820 were and so on now fast forward to today 3015 02:18:27,520 --> 02:18:25,400 we don't have the same space race 3016 02:18:29,860 --> 02:18:27,530 quote/unquote that we had with the 3017 02:18:32,560 --> 02:18:29,870 Soviet Union back then but we have a 3018 02:18:35,190 --> 02:18:32,570 very different type of race and that is 3019 02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:35,200 to make sure that we race to 3020 02:18:40,150 --> 02:18:38,170 safeguarding ourselves from these crazy 3021 02:18:41,919 --> 02:18:40,160 lunatics that are running some of these 3022 02:18:45,310 --> 02:18:41,929 countries that are out there and we 3023 02:18:48,280 --> 02:18:45,320 don't 100% know what the material they 3024 02:18:50,020 --> 02:18:48,290 have is and so I believe that the the 3025 02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:50,030 material that was written about that 3026 02:18:54,040 --> 02:18:52,010 they say we're alloys which by the way 3027 02:18:56,020 --> 02:18:54,050 it's interesting to be it's it's 3028 02:18:58,209 --> 02:18:56,030 interesting to point out that has since 3029 02:19:01,030 --> 02:18:58,219 been walked back a little bit that it 3030 02:19:03,430 --> 02:19:01,040 wasn't alloys they're calling them meta 3031 02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:03,440 materials so it wasn't as originally 3032 02:19:09,610 --> 02:19:06,410 printed so again yet another you know 3033 02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:09,620 miss misinformation out there that 3034 02:19:14,379 --> 02:19:11,599 wasn't properly vetted or got 3035 02:19:17,020 --> 02:19:14,389 embellished a little bit past what it 3036 02:19:18,490 --> 02:19:17,030 really was now again I won't harp too 3037 02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:18,500 much on it because it's a complicated 3038 02:19:24,520 --> 02:19:22,000 you know scientific thing to write about 3039 02:19:26,320 --> 02:19:24,530 alloys versus meta materials but 3040 02:19:28,750 --> 02:19:26,330 regardless that was another thing that 3041 02:19:30,640 --> 02:19:28,760 was false in that original article now 3042 02:19:33,430 --> 02:19:30,650 be that as it may now we're talking 3043 02:19:35,169 --> 02:19:33,440 about meta materials it's my theory that 3044 02:19:39,250 --> 02:19:35,179 yeah we're talking about project moon 3045 02:19:41,830 --> 02:19:39,260 dust 2.0 and Bigelow Aerospace which we 3046 02:19:44,110 --> 02:19:41,840 haven't really mentioned yet which has 3047 02:19:46,270 --> 02:19:44,120 been talked about as being the recipient 3048 02:19:48,970 --> 02:19:46,280 of the majority of the 22 million 3049 02:19:51,220 --> 02:19:48,980 dollars that this material it would make 3050 02:19:53,770 --> 02:19:51,230 sense to send it to somebody like 3051 02:19:57,280 --> 02:19:53,780 Bigelow Aerospace who's in the top you 3052 02:19:59,350 --> 02:19:57,290 know three top four private corporations 3053 02:20:01,690 --> 02:19:59,360 in the current comer 3054 02:20:04,001 --> 02:20:01,700 a live space race so it would make sense 3055 02:20:06,070 --> 02:20:04,011 to take that material whether it be 3056 02:20:10,390 --> 02:20:06,080 crashed from present-day Russia or China 3057 02:20:13,331 --> 02:20:10,400 or Iran or India or whomever it crashes 3058 02:20:15,581 --> 02:20:13,341 in the middle of wherever we go out grab 3059 02:20:17,051 --> 02:20:15,591 it send it to Bigelow Aerospace because 3060 02:20:20,440 --> 02:20:17,061 they're contracted to figure it all out 3061 02:20:24,810 --> 02:20:20,450 and to me that's project moondust 2.0 3062 02:20:27,400 --> 02:20:24,820 and makes perfect sense it brings in 3063 02:20:29,410 --> 02:20:27,410 every aspect of what was reported and 3064 02:20:31,331 --> 02:20:29,420 makes it make sense and the only thing 3065 02:20:33,791 --> 02:20:31,341 we used to to make it make sense is 3066 02:20:36,910 --> 02:20:33,801 history proven history with moon dust 3067 02:20:38,860 --> 02:20:36,920 that's exactly what that project was now 3068 02:20:41,560 --> 02:20:38,870 if they come out with alien material 3069 02:20:43,720 --> 02:20:41,570 tomorrow and mr. Elizondo says see John 3070 02:20:46,150 --> 02:20:43,730 I told you we had it okay cool I'll 3071 02:20:47,350 --> 02:20:46,160 stand corrected but until that happens I 3072 02:20:50,591 --> 02:20:47,360 think what we're dealing with is 3073 02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:50,601 advanced foreign technology and the race 3074 02:20:56,171 --> 02:20:53,330 to understand it because that race to 3075 02:20:57,850 --> 02:20:56,181 understand it safeguards us and it 3076 02:21:00,251 --> 02:20:57,860 throws money to the private sector to 3077 02:21:02,711 --> 02:21:00,261 understand a little bit more about space 3078 02:21:04,060 --> 02:21:02,721 technology how it's made why it's made 3079 02:21:05,711 --> 02:21:04,070 and what it can do and what we can 3080 02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:05,721 achieve and when you say think that 3081 02:21:11,051 --> 02:21:07,610 makes a lot more sense and when you say 3082 02:21:13,530 --> 02:21:11,061 foreign technology are you referring to 3083 02:21:16,570 --> 02:21:13,540 terrestrial foreign technology or 3084 02:21:18,490 --> 02:21:16,580 technology from the stars now I'm 3085 02:21:20,801 --> 02:21:18,500 talking about technology here on earth 3086 02:21:23,581 --> 02:21:20,811 that's right and and and just like moon 3087 02:21:26,051 --> 02:21:23,591 dust got entwined in the UFO / 3088 02:21:29,560 --> 02:21:26,061 extraterrestrial it's a possibility 3089 02:21:33,100 --> 02:21:29,570 right sure it could be a possibility I 3090 02:21:37,450 --> 02:21:33,110 just I I don't see it that way and and I 3091 02:21:38,791 --> 02:21:37,460 wish that it was termed that way if they 3092 02:21:41,230 --> 02:21:38,801 came out and said we got these 3093 02:21:43,660 --> 02:21:41,240 metamaterials these mysterious unknown 3094 02:21:46,301 --> 02:21:43,670 whatever they are they don't match up to 3095 02:21:48,881 --> 02:21:46,311 anything what we found was a lot of them 3096 02:21:50,620 --> 02:21:48,891 are Russian or Chinese or whatever they 3097 02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:50,630 are but there are a few that we couldn't 3098 02:21:56,381 --> 02:21:53,690 identify in that context man I'd be all 3099 02:21:58,390 --> 02:21:56,391 over it I'd be that that's awesome but 3100 02:22:01,751 --> 02:21:58,400 to give to just to give the impression 3101 02:22:02,490 --> 02:22:01,761 that it's alien and not give any context 3102 02:22:04,990 --> 02:22:02,500 whatsoever 3103 02:22:07,180 --> 02:22:05,000 to me that's where that red flag comes 3104 02:22:09,220 --> 02:22:07,190 in I'm an advocate for truth and 3105 02:22:10,631 --> 02:22:09,230 revealing what you got you know if 3106 02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:10,641 you've got the chain of custody document 3107 02:22:14,430 --> 02:22:12,370 put it out there if 3108 02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:14,440 you know that those metamaterials were 3109 02:22:19,080 --> 02:22:16,930 primarily from other countries but some 3110 02:22:21,420 --> 02:22:19,090 of which you just couldn't figure it out 3111 02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:21,430 cool give us that context and that's 3112 02:22:26,130 --> 02:22:23,290 that's what we can use then to really 3113 02:22:28,290 --> 02:22:26,140 say look it's only 3% of what was of 3114 02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:28,300 what was recovered but that 3% could 3115 02:22:32,580 --> 02:22:30,160 potentially be alien but we don't have 3116 02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:32,590 any of that all we have is the illusion 3117 02:22:38,610 --> 02:22:36,640 that maybe it's alien and then depending 3118 02:22:41,400 --> 02:22:38,620 again on the media outlet a lot of them 3119 02:22:45,030 --> 02:22:41,410 say it's alien they got alien chunks of 3120 02:22:47,610 --> 02:22:45,040 of spaceships there at Bigelow and and 3121 02:22:51,350 --> 02:22:47,620 that's you know not the reality of it so 3122 02:22:54,091 --> 02:22:51,360 that's that really is kind of one of my 3123 02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,101 one of my closing thoughts I would say 3124 02:23:00,390 --> 02:22:56,640 in the skepticism that there's no 3125 02:23:02,970 --> 02:23:00,400 context and there's no conversation with 3126 02:23:05,850 --> 02:23:02,980 the UFO community there's just these 3127 02:23:07,320 --> 02:23:05,860 little teases and when we think you're 3128 02:23:09,990 --> 02:23:07,330 ready we're going to spoon-feed you 3129 02:23:12,990 --> 02:23:10,000 another video and I don't agree with 3130 02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:13,000 that just simply because I am that 3131 02:23:18,450 --> 02:23:15,280 advocate for information for the truth 3132 02:23:20,490 --> 02:23:18,460 if you got it show it and for those of 3133 02:23:22,380 --> 02:23:20,500 you who are looking at that page not to 3134 02:23:25,261 --> 02:23:22,390 do a shameless plug but the 3135 02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:25,271 blackbaud.com slash T TSA will forward 3136 02:23:29,820 --> 02:23:26,650 you to everything we're talking about 3137 02:23:33,390 --> 02:23:29,830 you'll notice a revision date at the top 3138 02:23:35,160 --> 02:23:33,400 my research morphs all the time and so I 3139 02:23:37,591 --> 02:23:35,170 add to that I don't publish it and call 3140 02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:37,601 it gospel you know I'm more fit all the 3141 02:23:41,761 --> 02:23:39,610 time whenever things come in whenever 3142 02:23:43,500 --> 02:23:41,771 new information comes to light I make 3143 02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:43,510 sure that I put it in there and share it 3144 02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:46,090 with everybody else and is sadly not 3145 02:23:50,100 --> 02:23:48,010 everybody thinks that way and I'm not 3146 02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:50,110 saying that's right or wrong but that's 3147 02:23:54,870 --> 02:23:51,760 my personal opinion that if you've got 3148 02:23:58,200 --> 02:23:54,880 something show it and the donations will 3149 02:24:03,511 --> 02:23:58,210 follow if it's worthwhile where is a tip 3150 02:24:07,670 --> 02:24:03,521 today the timeline suggested publicly 3151 02:24:10,770 --> 02:24:07,680 was that it it ended in 2012 you know 3152 02:24:13,020 --> 02:24:10,780 yeah that's another big question mark 3153 02:24:14,610 --> 02:24:13,030 according mr. Elizondo it continues to 3154 02:24:17,100 --> 02:24:14,620 this day 3155 02:24:18,570 --> 02:24:17,110 that's that's his side according to the 3156 02:24:22,020 --> 02:24:18,580 government as we know in December they 3157 02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:22,030 said it canceled in 2012 so what I did 3158 02:24:26,070 --> 02:24:24,970 was I actually went back and in addition 3159 02:24:28,830 --> 02:24:26,080 to the military report 3160 02:24:30,870 --> 02:24:28,840 we know a tip was receiving we know that 3161 02:24:32,450 --> 02:24:30,880 through testimony mr. Elizondo that 3162 02:24:34,710 --> 02:24:32,460 there were commercial that there were 3163 02:24:36,510 --> 02:24:34,720 pilots from the commercial sector seeing 3164 02:24:38,639 --> 02:24:36,520 things as well that has been talked 3165 02:24:40,380 --> 02:24:38,649 about quite a few times we know that 3166 02:24:42,270 --> 02:24:40,390 over the years and in the field of 3167 02:24:44,550 --> 02:24:42,280 ufology so what I did was I actually 3168 02:24:46,740 --> 02:24:44,560 started researching the FAA manuals and 3169 02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:46,750 I knew just from previous research that 3170 02:24:52,380 --> 02:24:50,290 Bigelow Aerospace had the National 3171 02:24:54,990 --> 02:24:52,390 Institute for discovery science or knids 3172 02:24:58,320 --> 02:24:55,000 and they were able to get themselves 3173 02:25:01,139 --> 02:24:58,330 listed as kind of one of those reporting 3174 02:25:02,719 --> 02:25:01,149 centers for commercial aviation pilots 3175 02:25:07,800 --> 02:25:02,729 and they got themselves and one of the 3176 02:25:09,300 --> 02:25:07,810 commercial manuals from the FAA however 3177 02:25:11,700 --> 02:25:09,310 what I did was I started searching 3178 02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:11,710 through all of the manuals that the FAA 3179 02:25:17,550 --> 02:25:14,890 published from the beginning of a tip 3180 02:25:20,130 --> 02:25:17,560 the rumored beginning through today and 3181 02:25:21,660 --> 02:25:20,140 I went through every single revision and 3182 02:25:23,250 --> 02:25:21,670 I actually have them all online if 3183 02:25:29,450 --> 02:25:23,260 anybody's curious to look at them and 3184 02:25:33,170 --> 02:25:29,460 you can actually see from about 2000 3185 02:25:36,599 --> 02:25:33,180 2002 is when knids was actually put into 3186 02:25:40,080 --> 02:25:36,609 the FAA manual as being on the receiving 3187 02:25:44,929 --> 02:25:40,090 end of a commercial UFO sighting around 3188 02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:44,939 the time that a tip was created 3189 02:25:48,990 --> 02:25:47,290 2009-2010 under the Freedom of 3190 02:25:51,510 --> 02:25:49,000 Information Act I received every 3191 02:25:54,240 --> 02:25:51,520 communication from Bigelow Aerospace and 3192 02:25:57,300 --> 02:25:54,250 the FAA and around the time that that a 3193 02:26:00,030 --> 02:25:57,310 tip started the FAA manuals were revised 3194 02:26:03,179 --> 02:26:00,040 knids was taken out and Bigelow 3195 02:26:05,429 --> 02:26:03,189 Aerospace or Bass was put in that's the 3196 02:26:09,179 --> 02:26:05,439 arm of Bigelow Aerospace that is 3197 02:26:10,950 --> 02:26:09,189 arguably part of a tip and so on going 3198 02:26:14,910 --> 02:26:10,960 through all of the manuals all the way 3199 02:26:18,020 --> 02:26:14,920 through 2017 Bigelow Aerospace and bass 3200 02:26:21,030 --> 02:26:18,030 was taken out after 2012 3201 02:26:22,469 --> 02:26:21,040 nobody can fake that and yet the 3202 02:26:23,219 --> 02:26:22,479 government is saying it was canceled in 3203 02:26:25,500 --> 02:26:23,229 2012 3204 02:26:29,550 --> 02:26:25,510 mr. Elizondo said it continued to this 3205 02:26:32,429 --> 02:26:29,560 day yet in nearly the exact year that a 3206 02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:32,439 tip was allegedly canceled bass and 3207 02:26:38,219 --> 02:26:35,290 Bigelow Aerospace disappear from the FAA 3208 02:26:39,820 --> 02:26:38,229 manuals why is this important because it 3209 02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:39,830 shows pretty much a tip was 3210 02:26:46,420 --> 02:26:43,010 canceled or @ly @e least Bigelow 3211 02:26:47,890 --> 02:26:46,430 Aerospace was cut out so I'll let the 3212 02:26:50,320 --> 02:26:47,900 audience decide which one of those is 3213 02:26:53,020 --> 02:26:50,330 true but it does coincide with the fact 3214 02:26:55,240 --> 02:26:53,030 that it was cancelled in 2012 John I 3215 02:26:57,970 --> 02:26:55,250 want to thank you men for all that you 3216 02:27:01,390 --> 02:26:57,980 do this is looking at this and certainly 3217 02:27:04,120 --> 02:27:01,400 you have your son and and your family 3218 02:27:06,340 --> 02:27:04,130 and your job and your and everything but 3219 02:27:08,590 --> 02:27:06,350 the time and the effort that you put 3220 02:27:12,340 --> 02:27:08,600 into the black vault and certainly this 3221 02:27:14,410 --> 02:27:12,350 research it's just it's just commendable 3222 02:27:17,980 --> 02:27:14,420 and all I can say is is thanking the 3223 02:27:19,540 --> 02:27:17,990 community thanks you and there's it's 3224 02:27:22,390 --> 02:27:19,550 called the black vault but it's also 3225 02:27:24,370 --> 02:27:22,400 black and white and that's I think that 3226 02:27:26,830 --> 02:27:24,380 is the most important part about all of 3227 02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:26,840 this it's just an amazing amount of work 3228 02:27:31,301 --> 02:27:29,050 that you do thank you so much I 3229 02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:31,311 appreciate that and I had a blast I I 3230 02:27:35,770 --> 02:27:33,050 really do appreciate you having me on 3231 02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:35,780 and we'll do it again very soon and 3232 02:27:41,140 --> 02:27:38,570 obviously this is ongoing just like you 3233 02:27:43,870 --> 02:27:41,150 stated it here and it will continue to 3234 02:27:45,850 --> 02:27:43,880 develop and I will continue to report 3235 02:27:47,670 --> 02:27:45,860 the story and talk about your important 3236 02:27:49,690 --> 02:27:47,680 work thank you so much my friend I 3237 02:27:52,120 --> 02:27:49,700 appreciate that thank you you have a 3238 02:27:55,540 --> 02:27:52,130 good day you too John Greenwald 3239 02:27:57,790 --> 02:27:55,550 and everybody the report is over at he's 3240 02:28:03,011 --> 02:27:57,800 got a special link for everybody which 3241 02:28:04,840 --> 02:28:03,021 is the black vault dot-com /t TSA it'll 3242 02:28:07,030 --> 02:28:04,850 take you straight there I've got it up 3243 02:28:09,580 --> 02:28:07,040 in Twitter and I'm gonna take a quick 3244 02:28:11,230 --> 02:28:09,590 break I'll come back and have a little 3245 02:28:12,820 --> 02:28:11,240 chat 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02:31:12,310 hair was thicker you didn't have so many 3302 02:31:16,170 --> 02:31:14,170 wrinkles that extra weight wasn't 3303 02:31:18,420 --> 02:31:16,180 haunting you and you just felt better 3304 02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:18,430 well we can't turn back the clocks and 3305 02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:21,130 go back 10 or 15 years but you can start 3306 02:31:26,429 --> 02:31:23,290 feeling and looking 10 or 15 years 3307 02:31:28,439 --> 02:31:26,439 younger with nature's youth RSF it's a 3308 02:31:30,120 --> 02:31:28,449 doctor formulated daily supplement that 3309 02:31:31,849 --> 02:31:30,130 helps your body maintain its peak 3310 02:31:34,500 --> 02:31:31,859 performance and fight the aging process 3311 02:31:35,849 --> 02:31:34,510 imagine sleeping better looking better 3312 02:31:38,429 --> 02:31:35,859 and feeling better 3313 02:31:40,380 --> 02:31:38,439 see how Nature's youth RSF has helped 3314 02:31:43,080 --> 02:31:40,390 thousands of people just like you at 3315 02:31:45,540 --> 02:31:43,090 nature's youth calm nature's youth calm 3316 02:31:46,979 --> 02:31:45,550 the holidays are coming imagine how it 3317 02:31:48,870 --> 02:31:46,989 will feel when your family and friends 3318 02:31:51,240 --> 02:31:48,880 are asking you what you did to look so 3319 02:31:53,519 --> 02:31:51,250 good your secret will be nature's youth 3320 02:31:56,010 --> 02:31:53,529 RSF it's time to start looking better 3321 02:31:58,080 --> 02:31:56,020 and feeling better learn more in order 3322 02:32:08,380 --> 02:31:58,090 your nature's use RSS at nature's youth 3323 02:32:22,910 --> 02:32:12,080 it's not a lifestyle we chose we were 3324 02:32:27,670 --> 02:32:22,920 born this way k GRA radio.com this is KJ 3325 02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:40,300 [Music] 3326 02:32:46,010 --> 02:32:42,530 welcome back fade to black company host 3327 02:32:47,900 --> 02:32:46,020 Jimmy Church Monday night I want to 3328 02:32:52,700 --> 02:32:47,910 thank John Greenwald fascinating 3329 02:32:57,260 --> 02:32:52,710 conversation the black balls now the 3330 02:32:59,660 --> 02:32:57,270 complete this is when you go through and 3331 02:33:02,660 --> 02:32:59,670 you should especially after listening to 3332 02:33:07,219 --> 02:33:02,670 this show tonight just go to the black 3333 02:33:13,130 --> 02:33:07,229 vault comm /t TSA and everything is 3334 02:33:15,250 --> 02:33:13,140 right there down at the bottom of the 3335 02:33:19,010 --> 02:33:15,260 documents are heavy everything is here 3336 02:33:21,679 --> 02:33:19,020 but he was talking about a Bigelow 3337 02:33:25,340 --> 02:33:21,689 Aerospace and the reporting to the FAA 3338 02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:25,350 and there is a string of I don't know 3339 02:33:30,860 --> 02:33:27,930 how many documents are here but it's got 3340 02:33:32,660 --> 02:33:30,870 to be twenty thirty or forty Ivan 3341 02:33:34,070 --> 02:33:32,670 counted but it's a long list and you 3342 02:33:37,099 --> 02:33:34,080 need to just actually go through and 3343 02:33:40,969 --> 02:33:37,109 read that because the timeline is laid 3344 02:33:43,820 --> 02:33:40,979 out there too as well but again it this 3345 02:33:46,580 --> 02:33:43,830 is about clarification and this is 3346 02:33:50,380 --> 02:33:46,590 trying to get to the bottom of these 3347 02:33:54,410 --> 02:33:50,390 things and it's it's tough it's tough 3348 02:33:58,610 --> 02:33:54,420 the the other part is look a lot of it 3349 02:34:01,400 --> 02:33:58,620 is heartbreaking and we we need to as a 3350 02:34:02,990 --> 02:34:01,410 community if we have questions let's 3351 02:34:06,380 --> 02:34:03,000 just try to figure it out and we'll find 3352 02:34:09,469 --> 02:34:06,390 out on our own if if it's not given to 3353 02:34:11,780 --> 02:34:09,479 us and that's what we have to do okay 3354 02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:11,790 these are the days of disclosure it's 3355 02:34:15,860 --> 02:34:14,010 been out there in the media every single 3356 02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:15,870 day I talk about it every single day I 3357 02:34:22,460 --> 02:34:19,050 love it I absolutely love that part and 3358 02:34:25,820 --> 02:34:22,470 the awareness that has been brought 3359 02:34:28,639 --> 02:34:25,830 forward globally is it's just these are 3360 02:34:31,700 --> 02:34:28,649 amazing times but there are some things 3361 02:34:34,910 --> 02:34:31,710 here and they are glaring that we need 3362 02:34:37,610 --> 02:34:34,920 to find out really what's going on so 3363 02:34:38,780 --> 02:34:37,620 with that let's go to the phones hi 3364 02:34:45,710 --> 02:34:38,790 you're live on fade to black who's 3365 02:34:48,740 --> 02:34:45,720 calling I'm doing good how are you I'm 3366 02:34:50,900 --> 02:34:48,750 good I'm good I listened to the 3367 02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:50,910 conversation with John Greenwald and all 3368 02:34:59,870 --> 02:34:57,470 hi I'm adore other yeah I'm invested in 3369 02:35:02,600 --> 02:34:59,880 TPP I sorry I've lost all of this 3370 02:35:04,190 --> 02:35:02,610 there's still a part of me that wants to 3371 02:35:07,011 --> 02:35:04,200 play devil dad we didn't say there's 3372 02:35:08,050 --> 02:35:07,021 more to it than just simply for every 3373 02:35:11,240 --> 02:35:08,060 testings 3374 02:35:13,011 --> 02:35:11,250 I mean go back and listen all the common 3375 02:35:15,680 --> 02:35:13,021 rules especially before Ireland I think 3376 02:35:20,470 --> 02:35:15,690 what George Noory I think it was only 3377 02:35:25,250 --> 02:35:22,910 even in that way he passed about a lot 3378 02:35:29,930 --> 02:35:25,260 of stuff that he's meeting with people 3379 02:35:33,261 --> 02:35:29,940 he's doing meet inventing a lot of a lot 3380 02:35:35,090 --> 02:35:33,271 of pokers and a lot of fires you know 3381 02:35:39,140 --> 02:35:35,100 there's just seems like there's a lot 3382 02:35:40,940 --> 02:35:39,150 more to it also the investor paperwork 3383 02:35:43,460 --> 02:35:40,950 just got finalized we're living like the 3384 02:35:44,960 --> 02:35:43,470 last two weeks and that those packets 3385 02:35:49,070 --> 02:35:44,970 are starting to roll out to people I 3386 02:35:51,560 --> 02:35:49,080 just got mine like the other day and I'm 3387 02:35:53,480 --> 02:35:51,570 wondering how much more than something 3388 02:35:56,540 --> 02:35:53,490 we have not seen are those chain of 3389 02:35:58,220 --> 02:35:56,550 custody and once I even cost about chain 3390 02:36:01,340 --> 02:35:58,230 of custody and they still have not been 3391 02:36:03,080 --> 02:36:01,350 placed that I check daily for you 90 day 3392 02:36:05,450 --> 02:36:03,090 just to see if they showing up without 3393 02:36:07,220 --> 02:36:05,460 mentioning anything about it right and 3394 02:36:10,370 --> 02:36:07,230 there's still nothing for any of the 3395 02:36:11,810 --> 02:36:10,380 videos whatsoever and ten days things 3396 02:36:13,190 --> 02:36:11,820 really they were one of those Tom 3397 02:36:20,630 --> 02:36:13,200 brought up and mentioned it's really 3398 02:36:22,910 --> 02:36:20,640 smart you know but it's one of those 3399 02:36:25,100 --> 02:36:22,920 things where he says that they wanted to 3400 02:36:27,350 --> 02:36:25,110 go public with it because the government 3401 02:36:29,900 --> 02:36:27,360 went after the framing they can look up 3402 02:36:32,150 --> 02:36:29,910 and say we have worldwide investors we 3403 02:36:33,500 --> 02:36:32,160 have to answer to therefore if you do 3404 02:36:35,750 --> 02:36:33,510 anything you have to answer to them as 3405 02:36:37,990 --> 02:36:35,760 well which I understand that no that's 3406 02:36:42,340 --> 02:36:38,000 been kind of worked in some situations I 3407 02:36:44,660 --> 02:36:42,350 could be wrong dead and I'm probably 3408 02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:44,670 think there was some he was talking 3409 02:36:48,770 --> 02:36:46,650 about something about tangibility with 3410 02:36:51,080 --> 02:36:48,780 that or something where the government 3411 02:36:55,940 --> 02:36:51,090 can't directly know after them because 3412 02:36:58,280 --> 02:36:55,950 of that yeah yeah yeah I mean that would 3413 02:37:00,470 --> 02:36:58,290 again that makes a lot of sense the 3414 02:37:02,270 --> 02:37:00,480 other part and it does that makes a lot 3415 02:37:04,761 --> 02:37:02,280 of sense and you would think that 3416 02:37:05,530 --> 02:37:04,771 there's a level of protection there not 3417 02:37:08,140 --> 02:37:05,540 only for the coming 3418 02:37:10,600 --> 02:37:08,150 but 40 TSA and then you start to you 3419 02:37:12,880 --> 02:37:10,610 know you you pull answers out instead of 3420 02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:12,890 going and chasing them and that you know 3421 02:37:18,761 --> 02:37:14,810 that seems like a really good strategy 3422 02:37:21,910 --> 02:37:18,771 but the other part with that again when 3423 02:37:25,960 --> 02:37:21,920 especially when it comes to ufology we 3424 02:37:28,570 --> 02:37:25,970 get into these circular situations where 3425 02:37:32,290 --> 02:37:28,580 we are just running in circles chasing 3426 02:37:34,840 --> 02:37:32,300 our own tails and this you know and this 3427 02:37:38,261 --> 02:37:34,850 this you know for the UFO community 3428 02:37:40,480 --> 02:37:38,271 we're or acclimated to that you know it 3429 02:37:43,990 --> 02:37:40,490 just seems like we get stuck into these 3430 02:37:47,340 --> 02:37:44,000 circular arguments and I think all of it 3431 02:37:51,160 --> 02:37:47,350 and I appreciate the phone call Bob I 3432 02:37:54,761 --> 02:37:51,170 iced I suggested and I'll say it again 3433 02:37:57,150 --> 02:37:54,771 somebody needs to just be a martyr here 3434 02:38:07,570 --> 02:37:57,160 and and follow up on their own sword 3435 02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:07,580 bring it oh he is stated a few times in 3436 02:38:15,310 --> 02:38:13,610 kind of really odd I would say that it 3437 02:38:18,150 --> 02:38:15,320 was a may not have directly been a 3438 02:38:21,550 --> 02:38:18,160 program in such as a project and 3439 02:38:22,660 --> 02:38:21,560 sometimes projects go even though they 3440 02:38:24,460 --> 02:38:22,670 may have a name for the project 3441 02:38:28,030 --> 02:38:24,470 internally they may not have one for 3442 02:38:30,940 --> 02:38:28,040 formally meaning that there may not be a 3443 02:38:33,160 --> 02:38:30,950 direct paper trail and 20 million that's 3444 02:38:35,830 --> 02:38:33,170 like that's a team special block access 3445 02:38:37,750 --> 02:38:35,840 for names might not that stuff could all 3446 02:38:40,330 --> 02:38:37,760 be filed in ways that maybe we do have 3447 02:38:42,670 --> 02:38:40,340 it maybe it is one where we do have to 3448 02:38:44,890 --> 02:38:42,680 be extremely specific before a request 3449 02:38:47,500 --> 02:38:44,900 as opposed to broad 3450 02:38:51,280 --> 02:38:47,510 yeah and and the one thing that we have 3451 02:38:55,660 --> 02:38:51,290 to respect John Greenwald for and this 3452 02:39:06,930 --> 02:38:55,670 is not a joke nobody has done more for 3453 02:39:13,000 --> 02:39:10,690 see and that and that's if if there is 3454 02:39:15,960 --> 02:39:13,010 just like he brought up you know with 3455 02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:15,970 Snowden's a really good example in that 3456 02:39:22,750 --> 02:39:18,890 there is no matter what 3457 02:39:25,569 --> 02:39:22,760 there is a response to something and 3458 02:39:29,199 --> 02:39:25,579 there is a paper trail to something 3459 02:39:32,439 --> 02:39:29,209 heavily redacted top-secret but you know 3460 02:39:35,920 --> 02:39:32,449 but there is always a paper trail there 3461 02:39:39,760 --> 02:39:35,930 is always a response no matter what we 3462 02:39:42,659 --> 02:39:39,770 cannot confirm or deny right and there 3463 02:39:49,830 --> 02:39:42,669 is there is always that and in this case 3464 02:39:54,130 --> 02:39:49,840 there is absolutely nothing zero zilch 3465 02:39:56,080 --> 02:39:54,140 nothing nothing and but let's let's go 3466 02:39:59,649 --> 02:39:56,090 back though Bob he did say one thing 3467 02:40:03,670 --> 02:39:59,659 that I think is very very important here 3468 02:40:06,119 --> 02:40:03,680 he had phone conversations with the 3469 02:40:11,769 --> 02:40:06,129 public affairs office at the Pentagon 3470 02:40:16,290 --> 02:40:11,779 directly it is written in official 3471 02:40:19,899 --> 02:40:16,300 government email that the program was 3472 02:40:22,389 --> 02:40:19,909 aviation not aerospace that's a critical 3473 02:40:27,510 --> 02:40:22,399 thing here this is not a mistake this is 3474 02:40:29,590 --> 02:40:27,520 official this is an FOI a you know 3475 02:40:32,920 --> 02:40:29,600 clarification stuff we're talking about 3476 02:40:35,979 --> 02:40:32,930 straight from the Pentagon that is a 3477 02:40:39,960 --> 02:40:35,989 very important point to bring forward 3478 02:40:43,149 --> 02:40:39,970 the other thing is she could not find 3479 02:40:45,790 --> 02:40:43,159 anything on Lewis Elizondo and where he 3480 02:40:48,909 --> 02:40:45,800 worked for and that again that is 3481 02:40:51,099 --> 02:40:48,919 directly from the Pentagon this isn't a 3482 02:40:54,189 --> 02:40:51,109 Freedom of Information Act request that 3483 02:40:59,349 --> 02:40:54,199 is denied or no records found those 3484 02:41:08,099 --> 02:40:59,359 records came from the Pentagon directly 3485 02:41:12,880 --> 02:41:10,389 pacifically they're not the others would 3486 02:41:17,380 --> 02:41:12,890 be me only one of them they're really 3487 02:41:19,000 --> 02:41:17,390 directly recognizes I'm kind of reach 3488 02:41:20,260 --> 02:41:19,010 the point where invalidity comes from 3489 02:41:22,059 --> 02:41:20,270 the surrounding and the people around 3490 02:41:31,291 --> 02:41:22,069 them or steveandjessica it's helpful at 3491 02:41:37,020 --> 02:41:35,640 I I don't sit down and like scour the 3492 02:41:40,171 --> 02:41:37,030 names of everybody working in Washington 3493 02:41:41,551 --> 02:41:40,181 big I know that most full time I can 3494 02:41:43,831 --> 02:41:41,561 recognize when somebody blade there's a 3495 02:41:46,171 --> 02:41:43,841 mountain that good kind of yeah I'm 3496 02:41:47,161 --> 02:41:46,181 going to dark land on board I could 3497 02:41:49,530 --> 02:41:47,171 probably set it somewhere near 3498 02:41:53,220 --> 02:41:49,540 Washington DC or somewhere political but 3499 02:41:55,280 --> 02:41:53,230 it's just one of those things were if I 3500 02:41:57,390 --> 02:41:55,290 recognized him at all and here's an 3501 02:42:00,001 --> 02:41:57,400 intention seem out of nowhere money I 3502 02:42:01,711 --> 02:42:00,011 don't recognize the group of people he's 3503 02:42:03,180 --> 02:42:01,721 with I don't think any of us and you've 3504 02:42:05,161 --> 02:42:03,190 all kind of just taken it for granted 3505 02:42:06,871 --> 02:42:05,171 because he's been very vocal and very 3506 02:42:10,110 --> 02:42:06,881 open about everything yet at the same 3507 02:42:12,480 --> 02:42:10,120 time we can't find records on any of it 3508 02:42:19,530 --> 02:42:12,490 but then you've got seen injustice and 3509 02:42:22,711 --> 02:42:19,540 help it often a forgotten baseball what 3510 02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:22,721 days right right right right right right 3511 02:42:26,011 --> 02:42:23,200 right 3512 02:42:27,780 --> 02:42:26,021 it's an odd community is what it is and 3513 02:42:29,371 --> 02:42:27,790 we have we have the both that we're 3514 02:42:33,480 --> 02:42:29,381 fighting you know they're fighting each 3515 02:42:36,871 --> 02:42:33,490 other because one is confirmed one is 3516 02:42:40,051 --> 02:42:36,881 easy the CV is there for these others 3517 02:42:43,320 --> 02:42:40,061 but when it comes to Louis we're at dead 3518 02:42:44,850 --> 02:42:43,330 ends on on every turn Bob thank you for 3519 02:42:53,850 --> 02:42:44,860 the phone call my friend great phone 3520 02:42:55,591 --> 02:42:53,860 call Kyle Kyle Kyle I'm sorry you're 3521 02:42:57,631 --> 02:42:55,601 breaking up tonight by the way when you 3522 02:42:59,371 --> 02:42:57,641 listen to this later you'll understand 3523 02:43:03,030 --> 02:42:59,381 why I didn't hear it okay but have a 3524 02:43:07,081 --> 02:43:03,040 great night my friend thank you you too 3525 02:43:08,761 --> 02:43:07,091 great phone call right there let's see 3526 02:43:14,100 --> 02:43:08,771 let's go back to the phones how you live 3527 02:43:16,650 --> 02:43:14,110 on fade to black who's calling Wally in 3528 02:43:18,301 --> 02:43:16,660 Philadelphia how are you again how you 3529 02:43:22,921 --> 02:43:18,311 doing Jimmy I'm doing good 3530 02:43:25,350 --> 02:43:22,931 the America I grew up in is gone I can't 3531 02:43:28,560 --> 02:43:25,360 believe we're having this much trouble 3532 02:43:30,841 --> 02:43:28,570 with this thing I didn't get to listen 3533 02:43:34,251 --> 02:43:30,851 early on in the program but regarding 3534 02:43:38,730 --> 02:43:34,261 the eight tips thing and whether it's 3535 02:43:41,011 --> 02:43:38,740 aviation or aerospace oh and by the way 3536 02:43:44,670 --> 02:43:41,021 the Wright brothers to Apollo thing that 3537 02:43:51,059 --> 02:43:47,490 can't they can't we just called in New 3538 02:43:53,370 --> 02:43:51,069 York Times and just get them to print a 3539 02:43:55,590 --> 02:43:53,380 correction I know like I know I know 3540 02:43:59,070 --> 02:43:55,600 yeah yeah I thought about that I thought 3541 02:44:01,860 --> 02:43:59,080 about that like if you know the LA Times 3542 02:44:04,080 --> 02:44:01,870 if a firefighter is injured in the fire 3543 02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:04,090 and they say no Lieutenant James 3544 02:44:08,939 --> 02:44:06,399 so-and-so was injured in a fire and then 3545 02:44:11,849 --> 02:44:08,949 the next day they find out his name was 3546 02:44:13,439 --> 02:44:11,859 James Jones Captain James Jones they 3547 02:44:18,809 --> 02:44:13,449 would say they would print a correction 3548 02:44:21,990 --> 02:44:18,819 and so maybe call the New York Times and 3549 02:44:25,320 --> 02:44:22,000 and the writer of the article and say 3550 02:44:28,860 --> 02:44:25,330 you know what's the correct name of this 3551 02:44:31,439 --> 02:44:28,870 and they should epicly print a 3552 02:44:37,320 --> 02:44:31,449 correction of you know the true name of 3553 02:44:42,269 --> 02:44:37,330 a tea is a tea IPS is the following 3554 02:44:44,280 --> 02:44:42,279 and but I totally respect John Greenwald 3555 02:44:46,650 --> 02:44:44,290 what he does and I think you know his 3556 02:44:49,110 --> 02:44:46,660 websites awesome and everything anyway 3557 02:44:53,210 --> 02:44:49,120 that's all I just thought maybe it was a 3558 02:44:55,500 --> 02:44:53,220 shortcut to try and get some answers but 3559 02:44:58,309 --> 02:44:55,510 yeah you're right and Wally thank you 3560 02:45:01,590 --> 02:44:58,319 for the phone call my friend all right 3561 02:45:03,929 --> 02:45:01,600 one more thing yeah well I called last 3562 02:45:09,679 --> 02:45:03,939 week the cheesesteak place was it Tony 3563 02:45:11,490 --> 02:45:09,689 Luke's oh man I I have got I have a fax 3564 02:45:16,320 --> 02:45:11,500 somewhere I can go back through my 3565 02:45:18,150 --> 02:45:16,330 records from a friend that we all know 3566 02:45:20,040 --> 02:45:18,160 by the way just a movie you know an 3567 02:45:22,050 --> 02:45:20,050 actor but he had sent me a fact he goes 3568 02:45:25,590 --> 02:45:22,060 dude now when you're when you're staying 3569 02:45:27,809 --> 02:45:25,600 downtown you've got to go to this fan 3570 02:45:29,580 --> 02:45:27,819 this is a guy from Philly who you know 3571 02:45:31,260 --> 02:45:29,590 right and this is where you need to go 3572 02:45:34,349 --> 02:45:31,270 and I just can't remember the name of it 3573 02:45:49,590 --> 02:45:34,359 and I went there too it was a it was a 3574 02:45:52,439 --> 02:45:49,600 one story walk-up cheesesteak yes bigger 3575 02:45:54,300 --> 02:45:52,449 fish to fry these days thanks Jimmy I'll 3576 02:45:56,460 --> 02:45:54,310 figure it out Wally thank you so much my 3577 02:45:58,560 --> 02:45:56,470 friend take care you too 3578 02:46:05,190 --> 02:45:58,570 another great phone call 3579 02:46:08,390 --> 02:46:05,200 I I feel pretty good with the answer 3580 02:46:11,940 --> 02:46:08,400 that we got out of the Pentagon in that 3581 02:46:15,270 --> 02:46:11,950 this is in writing it's in a in an email 3582 02:46:21,210 --> 02:46:15,280 via and also confirmed with a phone 3583 02:46:24,990 --> 02:46:21,220 conversation with John and major drishya 3584 02:46:29,100 --> 02:46:25,000 Harris where she says it's aviation it's 3585 02:46:32,010 --> 02:46:29,110 not aerospace well ok I'm feeling pretty 3586 02:46:34,770 --> 02:46:32,020 good unless something changes and some 3587 02:46:36,810 --> 02:46:34,780 paperwork finally surfaces or Elizondo 3588 02:46:40,440 --> 02:46:36,820 produces something but I feel pretty 3589 02:46:41,880 --> 02:46:40,450 good about that but the problem that I 3590 02:46:43,770 --> 02:46:41,890 have with that is there's a big 3591 02:46:47,630 --> 02:46:43,780 difference between aviation and 3592 02:46:51,240 --> 02:46:47,640 aerospace there's a big big big big 3593 02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:51,250 difference and that's a strange mistake 3594 02:46:55,830 --> 02:46:54,010 you know do you know what program you 3595 02:46:58,530 --> 02:46:55,840 were actually running in the name of it 3596 02:46:59,700 --> 02:46:58,540 you know I don't know I feel like I 3597 02:47:02,730 --> 02:46:59,710 don't know I don't know we're trying to 3598 02:47:05,520 --> 02:47:02,740 figure it out but I think that it is 3599 02:47:08,340 --> 02:47:05,530 aviation and I'm gonna go with that now 3600 02:47:14,070 --> 02:47:08,350 live from the UK Heidi neo Heidi what 3601 02:47:16,640 --> 02:47:14,080 are you doing troublemaker it's always a 3602 02:47:19,980 --> 02:47:16,650 good day when you call in how are you 3603 02:47:22,710 --> 02:47:19,990 I'm really good I'm just calling to say 3604 02:47:24,719 --> 02:47:22,720 that Joe Donnelly is a legend I've just 3605 02:47:26,700 --> 02:47:24,729 recently joined his investigations team 3606 02:47:28,170 --> 02:47:26,710 and I'm not investigated - let's be 3607 02:47:31,410 --> 02:47:28,180 serious I'm a promoter more than 3608 02:47:35,490 --> 02:47:31,420 anything else but he is he's an amazing 3609 02:47:37,410 --> 02:47:35,500 guy absolutely incredible and just stuff 3610 02:47:39,900 --> 02:47:37,420 that you know he when he wants to do as 3611 02:47:42,840 --> 02:47:39,910 he said you know the end and we've said 3612 02:47:44,190 --> 02:47:42,850 at the end of the day getting stuff out 3613 02:47:45,390 --> 02:47:44,200 there it doesn't matter where it's come 3614 02:47:48,540 --> 02:47:45,400 from who it's wrong I mean at the moment 3615 02:47:50,900 --> 02:47:48,550 I'm about to put a case that I don't 3616 02:47:53,340 --> 02:47:50,910 think this much is known about it 3617 02:47:56,340 --> 02:47:53,350 although the lady was on with Linda 3618 02:47:58,530 --> 02:47:56,350 Moulton Howe on coast to coast but again 3619 02:48:00,810 --> 02:47:58,540 it hasn't been actually put on anywhere 3620 02:48:03,360 --> 02:48:00,820 so I think that's what I'm gonna be 3621 02:48:06,960 --> 02:48:03,370 doing now I'm gonna be sort of grabbing 3622 02:48:09,030 --> 02:48:06,970 cases and putting them you've been to 3623 02:48:11,990 --> 02:48:09,040 the map it's phenomenal it's just like 3624 02:48:15,030 --> 02:48:12,000 got Pinhook pinpricks all over the world 3625 02:48:16,530 --> 02:48:15,040 sightings of all sorts and at the end of 3626 02:48:19,170 --> 02:48:16,540 the day if you get everything like this 3627 02:48:20,910 --> 02:48:19,180 in one place it might jog someone's 3628 02:48:23,219 --> 02:48:20,920 memory so therefore you're gonna get 3629 02:48:24,899 --> 02:48:23,229 some more evidence and it's just 3630 02:48:28,019 --> 02:48:24,909 phenomenal and it's really excited to be 3631 02:48:31,469 --> 02:48:28,029 part of it really so I'm gonna give 3632 02:48:33,809 --> 02:48:31,479 another plug sorry do you mind no that's 3633 02:48:36,590 --> 02:48:33,819 fine but see tomorrow night 3634 02:48:40,380 --> 02:48:36,600 was gonna have Anthony Sanchez on here 3635 02:48:42,689 --> 02:48:40,390 doing just that too as well which is you 3636 02:48:44,969 --> 02:48:42,699 know this isn't a u.s. phenomenon I know 3637 02:48:46,559 --> 02:48:44,979 that it's you know especially here in 3638 02:48:48,929 --> 02:48:46,569 the United States it's easy to think 3639 02:48:52,439 --> 02:48:48,939 that the world revolves around us and 3640 02:48:55,740 --> 02:48:52,449 the UFO phenomenon is is is ours it's 3641 02:48:58,740 --> 02:48:55,750 not it's worldwide and the numbers that 3642 02:49:02,790 --> 02:48:58,750 are worldwide they will blow people's 3643 02:49:06,059 --> 02:49:02,800 minds and so tomorrow night Anthony will 3644 02:49:08,370 --> 02:49:06,069 be on and he's doing the same thing that 3645 02:49:15,149 --> 02:49:08,380 you're working on same thing that John 3646 02:49:18,090 --> 02:49:15,159 is working on and others try right 3647 02:49:20,610 --> 02:49:18,100 that's Anthony Anthony is part of on 3648 02:49:24,090 --> 02:49:20,620 stellar and so is John Greenwald and and 3649 02:49:27,719 --> 02:49:24,100 so are you and and getting getting this 3650 02:49:30,240 --> 02:49:27,729 data worldwide and compiled it needs to 3651 02:49:32,580 --> 02:49:30,250 be done and it needs to be in one 3652 02:49:34,229 --> 02:49:32,590 central resource for everybody to go and 3653 02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:34,239 look at for the very reason that you 3654 02:49:40,530 --> 02:49:39,130 just suggested people they're worried 3655 02:49:41,939 --> 02:49:40,540 about sharing their experience as well 3656 02:49:44,340 --> 02:49:41,949 because they'll go to the map or 3657 02:49:46,320 --> 02:49:44,350 whatever all the case files and see wow 3658 02:49:48,030 --> 02:49:46,330 do you know I remember seeing that and I 3659 02:49:50,070 --> 02:49:48,040 didn't think much of it at the time 3660 02:49:52,610 --> 02:49:50,080 right and you just end up with so much 3661 02:49:54,300 --> 02:49:52,620 evidence I think it's gonna be you know 3662 02:49:57,450 --> 02:49:54,310 someone's gonna have to come out 3663 02:49:59,939 --> 02:49:57,460 sometime and say okay yeah it's 3664 02:50:01,950 --> 02:49:59,949 happening you know I would say we as as 3665 02:50:03,809 --> 02:50:01,960 people have said you know we are our own 3666 02:50:05,460 --> 02:50:03,819 disclosure and I think we've got to take 3667 02:50:08,189 --> 02:50:05,470 the bull by the horn and the time is now 3668 02:50:09,990 --> 02:50:08,199 basically thanks now thank you so much 3669 02:50:13,050 --> 02:50:10,000 Heidi be safe we'll see you tomorrow 3670 02:50:17,519 --> 02:50:13,060 night I know you'll be here okay bye 3671 02:50:20,010 --> 02:50:17,529 Thank You Heidi Neel from the UK and my 3672 02:50:21,030 --> 02:50:20,020 point thank you for that Heidi tomorrow 3673 02:50:24,030 --> 02:50:21,040 night's gonna be a great show with 3674 02:50:28,190 --> 02:50:24,040 Anthony Sanchez but my point 3675 02:50:34,080 --> 02:50:28,200 I brought this up the other night and 3676 02:50:39,120 --> 02:50:34,090 seriously listen to me for a second if 3677 02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:39,130 there is alloys in Bigelow's warehouse 3678 02:50:47,219 --> 02:50:43,210 in LA in Las Vegas that came from 3679 02:50:51,300 --> 02:50:47,229 off-planet bring it if you have a piece 3680 02:50:53,880 --> 02:50:51,310 of a craft bring it forward if you have 3681 02:50:56,429 --> 02:50:53,890 if your Elizondo if you're anybody out 3682 02:51:00,870 --> 02:50:56,439 there it's part of the DoD or the CIA 3683 02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:00,880 and you're sitting on evidence real 3684 02:51:12,650 --> 02:51:05,130 right the real deal stuff it could be a 3685 02:51:17,090 --> 02:51:12,660 film right et whatever the real deal 3686 02:51:21,960 --> 02:51:17,100 come forward bring it and be a martyr 3687 02:51:27,300 --> 02:51:21,970 why you would be the most important 3688 02:51:31,679 --> 02:51:27,310 person in human history you would make 3689 02:51:36,410 --> 02:51:31,689 Edward Snowden look like a boy scout it 3690 02:51:39,960 --> 02:51:36,420 would be the most important thing ever 3691 02:51:42,870 --> 02:51:39,970 so bring it forward you know be it be a 3692 02:51:45,480 --> 02:51:42,880 martyr I said it last week um to show if 3693 02:51:47,130 --> 02:51:45,490 they send you to prison I'll take care 3694 02:51:51,030 --> 02:51:47,140 of your canteen for the rest of your 3695 02:51:53,580 --> 02:51:51,040 life but I'm being serious here you 3696 02:51:56,880 --> 02:51:53,590 would be the most important talked about 3697 02:52:01,950 --> 02:51:56,890 you would have you would have your own 3698 02:52:04,349 --> 02:52:01,960 religion a thousand years from now you 3699 02:52:09,420 --> 02:52:04,359 know that that's how important I mean 3700 02:52:13,170 --> 02:52:09,430 and so why the dance today you know with 3701 02:52:16,710 --> 02:52:13,180 with all of this you know alleged 3702 02:52:19,019 --> 02:52:16,720 Pentagon coming forward we have the FAA 3703 02:52:22,590 --> 02:52:19,029 with their tapes you know in the last 3704 02:52:24,660 --> 02:52:22,600 month that that's blowing my mind but 3705 02:52:29,040 --> 02:52:24,670 with all of this I think you're in a 3706 02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:29,050 safe zone now I think it's okay so if 3707 02:52:32,580 --> 02:52:30,880 you're sitting on something you smuggle 3708 02:52:36,360 --> 02:52:32,590 something out of the office you've got 3709 02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:36,370 something at home bring it forward right 3710 02:52:41,699 --> 02:52:37,359 now 3711 02:52:47,489 --> 02:52:41,709 be a martyr that's that's the thing I 3712 02:52:53,159 --> 02:52:47,499 don't understand some of the dancing 3713 02:52:55,859 --> 02:52:53,169 that still continues with Elizondo and 3714 02:52:58,409 --> 02:52:55,869 and others where you know well you know 3715 02:53:00,420 --> 02:52:58,419 the phenomenon is real and we're going 3716 02:53:03,590 --> 02:53:00,430 to you know we're working we're gonna 3717 02:53:09,090 --> 02:53:03,600 you know know what is it that you know 3718 02:53:11,369 --> 02:53:09,100 what is it that you know not that you've 3719 02:53:13,949 --> 02:53:11,379 analyzed this or you looked at that or 3720 02:53:17,729 --> 02:53:13,959 you checked out a report here what is it 3721 02:53:21,380 --> 02:53:17,739 that you know that's it the cat is out 3722 02:53:24,330 --> 02:53:21,390 of the bag just just just be a martyr 3723 02:53:26,790 --> 02:53:24,340 you'd be the most famous person in the 3724 02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:26,800 history of everything the most important 3725 02:53:31,619 --> 02:53:30,010 person ever think about that 3726 02:53:36,989 --> 02:53:31,629 hi you're live on paid to block who's 3727 02:53:38,819 --> 02:53:36,999 calling Hey Jimmy's Eric hey Eric I got 3728 02:53:40,859 --> 02:53:38,829 kind of a fun story to tell you this was 3729 02:53:44,909 --> 02:53:40,869 off topic but it has to do with crash 3730 02:53:47,580 --> 02:53:44,919 UFOs okay two minutes I'll make it quick 3731 02:53:50,580 --> 02:53:47,590 did you did you hear about the crash UFO 3732 02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:50,590 well I'll call the UFO and in needles 3733 02:53:56,460 --> 02:53:53,520 California in 2008 yes 3734 02:53:58,010 --> 02:53:56,470 that was pretty I ran into some people I 3735 02:54:00,960 --> 02:53:58,020 uh my car broke down 3736 02:54:02,729 --> 02:54:00,970 Saturday night 58 miles in the middle of 3737 02:54:05,219 --> 02:54:02,739 Mojave Desert north of California to 3738 02:54:08,099 --> 02:54:05,229 Arizona thank God I had triple-a mm-hmm 3739 02:54:09,779 --> 02:54:08,109 and Oh truck guy comes out and he's 31 3740 02:54:12,569 --> 02:54:09,789 year old kid he lived in needles his 3741 02:54:13,889 --> 02:54:12,579 whole life and so he takes me up and 3742 02:54:15,389 --> 02:54:13,899 we're driving down the highway and I'm 3743 02:54:17,369 --> 02:54:15,399 trying to make conversation with the guy 3744 02:54:19,769 --> 02:54:17,379 so I go do you ever see strange lights 3745 02:54:21,300 --> 02:54:19,779 in the sky and he goes yeah I've seen a 3746 02:54:24,389 --> 02:54:21,310 few lights and then he started telling 3747 02:54:27,119 --> 02:54:24,399 me some stories but then he told me 3748 02:54:29,040 --> 02:54:27,129 about the needles crash and he said that 3749 02:54:32,069 --> 02:54:29,050 when he was when it happened he was in a 3750 02:54:33,929 --> 02:54:32,079 restaurant and and the men in black were 3751 02:54:35,699 --> 02:54:33,939 there mm-hmm and he was telling me all 3752 02:54:37,139 --> 02:54:35,709 sorts of stories and then later on the 3753 02:54:39,899 --> 02:54:37,149 next day I cuz I just stay at a hotel 3754 02:54:43,080 --> 02:54:39,909 there the next day uh the guy that was 3755 02:54:44,819 --> 02:54:43,090 fix my car he knew all about it too and 3756 02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:44,829 the whole town knew about it yeah the 3757 02:54:49,080 --> 02:54:46,479 whole day I do wait a minute wait a 3758 02:54:51,120 --> 02:54:49,090 minute Eric are you telling me that's 3759 02:54:54,179 --> 02:54:51,130 the first time you heard about the 3760 02:54:56,190 --> 02:54:54,189 needles case what's the first time I was 3761 02:54:58,110 --> 02:54:56,200 shocked I didn't I had no wait you're an 3762 02:55:02,550 --> 02:54:58,120 expert I'm Eric how can you call 3763 02:55:05,070 --> 02:55:02,560 yourself a class a UFO researcher and 3764 02:55:07,290 --> 02:55:05,080 fan and not know about the needles case 3765 02:55:09,480 --> 02:55:07,300 well you know what at least you admit it 3766 02:55:12,389 --> 02:55:09,490 on this show I gotta give you credit for 3767 02:55:13,830 --> 02:55:12,399 that famous but the ones that here's the 3768 02:55:16,080 --> 02:55:13,840 one thing that I want to bring up real 3769 02:55:18,570 --> 02:55:16,090 quick is the crash is that that because 3770 02:55:20,880 --> 02:55:18,580 I'm learning that the history in 53 in 3771 02:55:22,260 --> 02:55:20,890 Kingman Arizona those crashes that 3772 02:55:23,910 --> 02:55:22,270 happened out there there was apparently 3773 02:55:25,710 --> 02:55:23,920 three of them that happened that's right 3774 02:55:28,080 --> 02:55:25,720 I'm gonna do a tour up I'm gonna do a 3775 02:55:31,440 --> 02:55:28,090 tour out there with that guy Perry drew 3776 02:55:34,230 --> 02:55:31,450 yep yeah ever had yeah you've been on 3777 02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:34,240 the show a couple times yeah but I I 3778 02:55:38,310 --> 02:55:36,250 just think I know people try to figure 3779 02:55:40,440 --> 02:55:38,320 out well is it are the d'affaires 3780 02:55:42,450 --> 02:55:40,450 but it's been with and then maybe in 3781 02:55:44,250 --> 02:55:42,460 2008 the needles crashed maybe it was 3782 02:55:47,130 --> 02:55:44,260 ours a car so one of our advanced 3783 02:55:48,210 --> 02:55:47,140 technology you know who knows but but 3784 02:55:49,830 --> 02:55:48,220 when you hear that Nate when you hear 3785 02:55:51,719 --> 02:55:49,840 the people in town talk about it and the 3786 02:55:54,240 --> 02:55:51,729 way they describe it it just points to 3787 02:55:55,950 --> 02:55:54,250 an T crash but the ones in Kingman I 3788 02:55:58,350 --> 02:55:55,960 just have a hard time believing that 3789 02:56:00,480 --> 02:55:58,360 we're we're crashed in our own craft out 3790 02:56:01,800 --> 02:56:00,490 there in the middle of a desert in 1953 3791 02:56:04,800 --> 02:56:01,810 that's where I have a hard time 3792 02:56:08,460 --> 02:56:04,810 yeah the Kingman cases is great there's 3793 02:56:14,100 --> 02:56:08,470 another case from Scottsdale Arizona in 3794 02:56:16,620 --> 02:56:14,110 1958 or so which is unbelievable and 3795 02:56:18,570 --> 02:56:16,630 that happened right on the Northside of 3796 02:56:24,030 --> 02:56:18,580 Scottsdale behind a Camelback Mountain 3797 02:56:27,500 --> 02:56:24,040 and so that craft crashed their flatbeds 3798 02:56:31,050 --> 02:56:27,510 rolled into town a very documented case 3799 02:56:35,370 --> 02:56:31,060 take the craft out and then they take 3800 02:56:39,929 --> 02:56:35,380 the land that it was on and pulled the 3801 02:56:42,719 --> 02:56:39,939 dirt out the dirt and then replace the 3802 02:56:45,179 --> 02:56:42,729 dirt and then put a parking lot over the 3803 02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:45,189 top of it but there was no reason to 3804 02:56:51,960 --> 02:56:48,970 park cars there was nothing there right 3805 02:56:54,480 --> 02:56:51,970 and so that's that's another case that 3806 02:56:56,070 --> 02:56:54,490 that is you know we can talk about 3807 02:56:58,740 --> 02:56:56,080 Roswell and we can talk about these 3808 02:57:00,900 --> 02:56:58,750 other these you know Aztec and talk 3809 02:57:02,610 --> 02:57:00,910 about these cases but there's other ones 3810 02:57:05,140 --> 02:57:02,620 out there that are pretty significant 3811 02:57:07,330 --> 02:57:05,150 the 2008 needles case 3812 02:57:09,520 --> 02:57:07,340 and I've got a run but what was 3813 02:57:12,040 --> 02:57:09,530 fascinating about that is everybody in 3814 02:57:13,841 --> 02:57:12,050 town saw the black SUVs everybody in 3815 02:57:17,261 --> 02:57:13,851 town saw the helicopters everybody in 3816 02:57:20,711 --> 02:57:17,271 town knew what happened and needles is 3817 02:57:22,841 --> 02:57:20,721 very small and they got invaded by the 3818 02:57:25,270 --> 02:57:22,851 men in black and the DoD in the military 3819 02:57:28,180 --> 02:57:25,280 industrial complex everybody's chosen 3820 02:57:30,310 --> 02:57:28,190 you know they retrieve the the the the 3821 02:57:32,320 --> 02:57:30,320 craft and split out of town like 3822 02:57:34,480 --> 02:57:32,330 nobody's gonna remember nobody's going 3823 02:57:36,520 --> 02:57:34,490 to talk about it but it happened you 3824 02:57:37,841 --> 02:57:36,530 know so yeah that's a fascinating case 3825 02:57:39,820 --> 02:57:37,851 I've talked to a few people out there 3826 02:57:43,270 --> 02:57:39,830 that were there that day and saw it 3827 02:57:46,360 --> 02:57:43,280 happened so well that thought yeah no I 3828 02:57:47,860 --> 02:57:46,370 don't I got I got a rally I got it 3829 02:57:50,230 --> 02:57:47,870 what's at times 3830 02:57:51,730 --> 02:57:50,240 in 2011 there was a crash in Williams 3831 02:57:53,830 --> 02:57:51,740 Arizona know if you heard about that but 3832 02:57:55,270 --> 02:57:53,840 this guy named Bob sort 90 year old guy 3833 02:57:56,801 --> 02:57:55,280 here in Conway time the interview and 3834 02:57:58,180 --> 02:57:56,811 tomorrow that goes all about it so maybe 3835 02:58:00,100 --> 02:57:58,190 on a fader night I'll tell you that 3836 02:58:00,870 --> 02:58:00,110 story you got and thank you so much Eric 3837 02:58:06,011 --> 02:58:00,880 be safe 3838 02:58:09,310 --> 02:58:06,021 figure gotta thank John Greenwald an 3839 02:58:14,650 --> 02:58:09,320 absolute brilliant conversation tonight 3840 02:58:16,450 --> 02:58:14,660 the black vault comm /t TSA theta blacks 3841 02:58:18,011 --> 02:58:16,460 executive producers ritika Murray on 3842 02:58:19,480 --> 02:58:18,021 shows produced by Hill Jay Paul Renee 3843 02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:19,490 Dennis and Bob announces our Steve 3844 02:58:24,011 --> 02:58:22,250 bahara Jean Patou and Mark T Cove our 3845 02:58:26,830 --> 02:58:24,021 webmaster drew the geek music doug 3846 02:58:29,020 --> 02:58:26,840 aldrich intro space boys space boy music 3847 02:58:31,660 --> 02:58:29,030 calm fade to black is produced by 3848 02:58:35,080 --> 02:58:31,670 kjsurya he never consider k Shahnaz k 3849 02:58:37,211 --> 02:58:35,090 gra the planet this podcast zone and 3850 02:58:38,320 --> 02:58:37,221 copyrighted 2018 by fade to black in the 3851 02:58:40,360 --> 02:58:38,330 game changer network 3852 02:58:41,770 --> 02:58:40,370 it cannot be rebroadcast downloaded 3853 02:58:43,870 --> 02:58:41,780 copied or used anywhere in the known 3854 02:58:45,370 --> 02:58:43,880 universe without written permission but 3855 02:58:47,051 --> 02:58:45,380 fade to black in the game changer 3856 02:58:49,780 --> 02:58:47,061 network i'm your host jimmy church 3857 02:58:52,890 --> 02:58:49,790 follow me on twitter at j search radio 3858 02:58:56,830 --> 02:58:52,900 tomorrow night right here Anthony F 3859 02:58:59,630 --> 02:58:56,840 Sanchez until then everybody be saved 3860 02:59:18,700 --> 02:58:59,640 go back Lee Tepe